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Toyota Matrix, Wagon
#3014 of 3315 Re: 2005 matrix airconditiong [path4]
Feb 25, 2006 (12:35 pm)
If the fuel mileage is so bad in the Matrix,then why did Edmunds recently rate it no.10 in their top ten fuel efficient cars? I've had my 03 5 speed XR for 4 years now,never got below 30 mpg and usually average 33-34 in the warmer months and have gotten 36 on long highway trips.I think people buy it with the auto and/or all wheel drive configurations and somehow expect to get 5 speed two wheel drive gas mileage out of it with the AC on most of the time-never going to happen.Noisy engine? It's a sporty car with an engine that likes to rev and the sound is part of it's appeal.
As for reliability I've had a DRL light sensor and the rearview mirror replaced under warranty and those are the only problems I've ever had with the car.I'd consider buying the new model,but it looks like Toyota is going to ruin it with a bigger engine and poor fuel economy like they did with the Celica replacement- the TC! I'm also disappointed to see that they're doing away with the rear window opening on the 07 ,as I use that most of the time,much more convenient than opening and closing the big hatch.
#3015 of 3315 Re: 2005 matrix airconditiong [zombo]
Feb 26, 2006 (1:43 pm)
I don't know why some people always assume others are stupid. This is not some hightech stuff and people do know what they are talking about. Mine is 04 base 2DW. I drive at 75-80 and occasionally 85. The reason I don't drive faster is because it is too noisey and floaty, although the highway here is almost empty at night. The 300 miles/oneway commute I take every week is straight,flat and not much above sea level. The mileage is about 26-29 regardless AC on or off from my one year's observation and unsatisfaction.
I once rented a 04 Chev Impala in March and drove it more than 1K miles at a speed around 90mph and sometimes 100mph. It got 31mpg even with some local miles. I also enjoyed how quiet it was. I didn't have to increase the volume to listen to the radio. Inside my matrix, I have to double the volume.
I did read people reported both 28 and 38 mpg for matrix from different websites, with the 28 ones claiming they drove like grandma and the 38 ones 10mph above speed limit. Maybe it is a quality control issue. But, all of my friends who have corrolas complained how noisey they are, and none liked the rev-happy sound. Seriously, my matrix changes gears at 6K rpm when I floor it, which I did less than 10 times as there was no fun doing that, but it is still too sluggish to be called sporty.
My previous 10-years old, beaten-up, oil-leaking, tires-evened accord got 31 mpg at about 80mph. When I bought the matrix, I had a lot of hope to see an increase to 33 or 35 from what I read on different websites. I kept hopping after the break-in period, the second oil change, the 7.5K maintance, the 1.5 maintance, but it never happended, and I began to read more and more complaints about its poor gas mileage.
I think negative reviews from experienced owners are more helpful for potential buyers. When I was doing research on Matrix, all I read was how wonderful it was, and none mentioned the exccesive noises on highway. I believe they do know their cars are noisey, but reluctant to say it. I can accept the poor gas mileage because it is not too bad after all. But, the noises are killing me on highway as I drive a lot on highway and have to turn the volume up to listen to the music. I was often surprised to realize that the music was at an ear-deafening level after I got off the highway and stopped at a stop sign. Having said that, I don't think I am a picky person, neither I am rich enough to be picky. However, from my own experience, I consider Camry, Accord, Tauras, Impala are comfortable cars. Matrix, Corrla, Civic are certainly not.
#3016 of 3315 Re: 2005 matrix airconditiong [path4]
Feb 26, 2006 (3:42 pm)
The reason the Matrix/Vibe twins only get 30mpg or so on the freeway is aerodynamics. These are tall cars with a lot of frontal area; there's a lot of drag.
My wife can get 35 mpg in the car, I've never been over 30. I don't believe there's anything wrong, it's just physics at work. Drive 65-70 mph on level roads and with low winds and I think you'll see 35 mpg or so.
"The Laws of Physics Are Strictly Enforced."
#3017 of 3315 Re: 2005 matrix airconditiong [path4]
Feb 26, 2006 (5:27 pm)
You're routinely driving at 75-85 and wonder why you're not getting better gas mileage in a relatively tall car and why the road noise is so loud? No lightweight economy car that I know of is going to be quiet at those speeds.Obviously you need a heavier,more streamlined car for that type of driving. A radar detector and a PBA card wouldn't hurt either!
#3018 of 3315 JBL: worth it?
Feb 27, 2006 (9:56 am)
I'm about to purchase a new XR and would welcome comments on the optional JBL 6-disc, 7 speaker system: was it worth the extra dough? I'm thinking of going with the standard radio and adding an amp and better speakers.
Feb 28, 2006 (3:34 pm)
I notice quite a few posts about the Matrix's aerodynamics. Is Cd of .32 that bad?
#3020 of 3315 Re: Aerodynamics [indgomtrx]
Feb 28, 2006 (4:17 pm)
Air resistance is a function of velocity x Cd x A, where "A" is the frontal area.
The Cd is fine, but this is a big & tall car for its class.
#3021 of 3315 Re: Aerodynamics [indgomtrx]
Mar 01, 2006 (6:10 am)
Also important to note that the drag coefficient doesn't come into play as much if you are driving the posted speed limits. Driving at 75-85 mph is going to reduce fuel efficiency in any car, but the impact is greater with a body style like the Matrix than in lower profile cars.
#3023 of 3315 Base model vs. XR model
Mar 03, 2006 (10:02 am)
The base model you can add the rear window wiper, power locks and windows, keyless entry. You can add vehicle stability, antilock brakes, tire pressure system, and all available airbags to both models. Unless I want to add any options I really don't need, I think the base model would be the better buy. Does anyone disagree?