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Toyota Matrix, Wagon
Jan 31, 2005 (12:49 pm)
Thanks herzogtum and pet1. Makes the case for the Matrix even stronger.
The Matrix 4WD is about $24 K in Canada plus tax (15%). I just visited a GM lot near my office at lunch and they have new 2005 two door Jimmies (4.3 L Vortec V6, auto, air etc) for $19 K plus , freight and tax. You could get a real SUV (albeit the last in the line) and save $5 K or buy a Corolla wagon with sort of 4wd.
The brand value in a Toyota is truly unbelievable. I am not doing this to slag GM either since my family has owned and enjoyed many GM vehicles since the mid 1970s. But the price difference can be shocking. No question I will still be driving a Matrix or possibly a Subaru but if you wanted a real truck......
#2757 of 3315 Re: [dunworth]
Feb 03, 2005 (8:42 pm)
Howdy- Any chance you could shoot me that $1600 here on a Vibe purchase? : -)
Feb 04, 2005 (5:23 am)
OK itsa deal! Sadly ours are not transferrable otheriwse I would actually give them to a friend if I do not end up using them.
Although the truth is I will still work on my wife about the Vibe versus Matrix. I never had an issue with my GM stuff so, for me, it does not matter whether it is the Toyota version or Pontiac.
#2759 of 3315 Matrix XR 4WD new owner
Feb 08, 2005 (10:53 am)
Hi Everyone....I've just replaced my Camry for a Matrix XR 4WD....this is my second Toyota and since I had no problems at all with the Camry, I decided to stay with a Toyota product....test drove the Matrix 4WD and really liked it....wife also liked it a lot....we had a chance to drive it on 3 inches of snow and it handled it very well. Does any one has any experience with 6 to 8 inches of snow...does it drive OK ? What about the 4WD system, the dealer told me it has 90% in the front wheels and 10% in the back, this change to 50/50 when slippery conditions are detected. I tried to get additional info. through Toyota website and could not find it. I'm now trying to check the actual mileage I can get. Thanks for any reply.
#2760 of 3315 Re: Matrix XR 4WD new owner [brazuca]
Feb 08, 2005 (11:55 am)
Your dealer told you exactly what the service manager at my dealer told me about the 4WD system. There has been some disagreement in this forum on whether it's a 90/10 split (front and rear, normal condititions) or 100/0. I tried to find information on the internet to confirm this and found next to nothing.
We had an '89 Nissan AWD Sentra wagon (the only year they made this particular 4WD system) that definitely was entirely FWD unless the front wheels slipped, in which case the rear wheels would kick in. After driving our Matrix more in the snow this winter, I can tell you that it has a different feel than the Nissan. With the Nissan you would feel a momentary slip and then traction kicking in again. I haven't noticed this same sensation with the Matrix, so I am more inclined now to believe the service manager.
6 or 8 inches of snow may be pushing it a bit. Isn't ground clearance only something like 6 inches?
#2761 of 3315 Re: Matrix XR 4WD new owner [brazuca]
Feb 08, 2005 (6:56 pm)
I was always under the impression that it was a front drive vehicle until slippage is detected. The percentages from front to rear are different depending on the conditions. Toyota.ca has a section where all of their 4WD systems are explained. It's in the "Toyota Gazette", page 7. The Gazette can be found in the "What's New" section. Either way it works in a seemless and flawless fashion.
#2762 of 3315 Re: Matrix XR 4WD new owner [herzogtum71]
Feb 09, 2005 (9:25 am)
Thanks herzogtum71 and petl for your replys. I live in Indianapolis, IN...therefore I don't get that much of snow anyway. You're right, the ground clearance for the Matrix is 5.9' and for the Highlander is 7.3', if someone really needs higher ground clearance, than the job should be done by the 4Runner with 9,1' of clearance. To tell you the truth, I don't all of that and neither a SUV right now, very happy so far with the performance of my 4WD Matrix, very handy for groceries and baby stuff, including a stroller - my wife is pretty happy,which makes my life easier
BTW, I found some literature regarding the 4WD system used by Toyota, which is called Viscous Coupling (VC (Volvo also uses it). There is no transfer case and power goes primarily to the front wheels, however, it's legitimately called 4WD because front and rear axles do not rotate at the same speed, the powered axle always rotate a little faster (about 5%), so the VC reacts to the speed difference and compensates allocating power to the rear, this way the rear axle will get 5% of the torque (2.5% for each wheel). This explain the different feeling when driving the Matrix in slippery condition, comparing to the Nissan Centra, the system in the Toyota is already "engaged" at a lower torque, which is increased according to the road condition. All 4 wheels get power all the time. This systems is designed to use in slippery / snowy conditions, NOT for offroad. Anyway, just perfect for my needs.
Do you guys have any data regarding milleage per gallon with your Matrix ?
#2763 of 3315 Matrix dust and pollen filter
Feb 10, 2005 (5:49 am)
i just took my 2004 Matrix in for servicing (oil change, tire rotation) and they suggested I replace my dust and pollen filter. The charged $33.00 for the filter and $16.00 for labour (cdn). I looked at the old filter and decided to clean it with water as it was easy to do. My question is can this filter just be cleaned and replaced?
Feb 10, 2005 (12:17 pm)
My local dealer charged $20 for the filter. Some others in my local group have gone to Wal-Mart and purchased a furnace filter, cut it to size and used that. Personally $20 a year for a filter is cheap. $16 for a literally 1 minute job is robbery. My advice is to buy the filter, open the glove box, squeeze the sides (glove box will lower out). Pull out the filter (stright ahead, hard to miss) and replace it.
Feb 10, 2005 (1:16 pm)
What is the pollen filter? where is it located on the car? All of the cars that I had, all went above 150K miles and none of them has this pollen filter replace. If you could show me where it located, greatly appreciate.