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Toyota Matrix, Wagon
May 19, 2003 (1:33 pm)
Hurler4 (and others):
You mentioned you'll probably buy the Matrix instead of the Vibe.
Can you tell me why?
I'm having a very hard time with this for basically only a few reasons (I'll be buying a 2004 Matrix or Vibe):
1) In Canada, if you want ABS brakes on the 2004 Matrix, you have to buy an entire option package at $2000 CAD that includes the moonroof (I don't want one), fog lamps and 17" wheels (I had already settled on buying a 2004 Corolla because I couldn't afford a 2004 Sienna, but then decided the Matrix would fill the bill for my "utility" needs, so I don't want any rougher a ride than the move from the 195/15's of the Corolla LE to the 205/16's of the Matrix XR).
I WANT ABS BRAKES and fog lamps, but I DON'T WANT A ROUGHER RIDE and a moonroof! But, I do want the Toyota nameplate and the cleaner looks.
2) The Vibe has the foglamps already built in and ABS w/side curtain airbags is an $1135 option. We don't get side curtain airbags as an option on the Matrix.
3) The Vibe has a built-in roof rack - I'm leary that it will cause wind noise at all times, whether I need it or not (although I can see me using it for trips).
4) You can only get the 6 speaker stereo on the XRS (I want to drive an automatic and don't need the 180 HP).
5) Resale value of Pontiac vs. Toyota.
6) I like the cladding on lower area and wheel wheels of the Pontiac, but don't want to pay an extra $1100 to have them match the rest of the car. They come in gray if you don't pay the premium. I also wonder if all that cladding helps with lessening rust or actually increases the chance of rust because you can't get behind the cladding to clean the steel areas, and those areas may not dry out as quickly. I live in the center of Canada where we have lots of snow and road salt, etc.
That's about it. I think the Toyota service will be better than the Pontiac dealerships.
So, I guess my question is this again, for those of you who bought the base or XR, why did you buy the Toyota and not the Vibe?
Thanks for any and all of your comments!
#2004 of 3315 Corolla LE vs Matrix
May 19, 2003 (1:39 pm)
Were any of you considering the Corolla before deciding on the Matrix?
If so, what were you decisions for choosing the Matrix XR over the Corolla LE (for comparison purposes)?
Are you happy with your decision?
May 19, 2003 (2:27 pm)
the engine block of the matrix/corolla is the same as in the XRS/celica GTS - it is a strong unit designed for high-rev use.
Plus, TRD had a S/C kit for the previous corolla for several years, which used the same block.
Plus I much prefer S/C to turbo in general, and I would not want to deal with all the bugaboos that crop up with Jettas. I've got a Toyota dealer I like for service.
May 19, 2003 (2:36 pm)
I bought Matrix and did not consider Vibe because of the cladding and the Pontiac depreciation, not to mention poor dealer service (in my previous experience). But I think if looks are all that are in it, then it is pure preference which one you go with. I also don't like roof racks. Mechanically they are the same.
Some notes in reference to what you wrote:
(1) In california ABS comes as a stand-alone option if you like, and I have seen cars on the lots equipped this way (I didn't get it - don't like it)
(2) side airbags are also a stand-alone option on all grades of Matrix here
(4) you can get the 6-speaker stereo upgrade any time you want on any Matrix, if not as a factory option, then as a dealer accessory.
(5) resale of Toyota beats that of Pontiac
(6) cladding is good to have if you live in an area with lots of gravel and snow/mud in winter...
May 19, 2003 (3:01 pm)
Folks, I know I keep all my cars until the flames have actually entered into the driving compartment, but why on earth would you ever worry about resale???? That is the worst arguement I have ever heard. A recent article put the Honda Accord at the top of the list for resale value after 4 years. It paid back 48% of its original value. If you guys are willing to throw your money away like that, I need to get in on the deal. If I consistantly put $20,000 into the stock market and after 4 years, it gave me $9,000 back, I think I'd jump out a window. I think everyone should do as much research into a car prior to buying it. It is good you are asking questions on edmunds and such; but why sell a car so quickly when either you A) put a ton of research into getting it in the first place; or B) you fell madly in love with the car and just had to have it in the first place. There are plenty of KIA and Hyundai dealers out there. They make OK cars with great warranties. Don't ever buy an expensive car if you are concerned about resale value!
#2008 of 3315 2004 MATRIX XR AWD
May 19, 2003 (4:16 pm)
Picking up my new 2004 MATRIX XR AWD (Indig0) on Friday. Woo-hoo!
#2009 of 3315 gregoriusm ...
May 20, 2003 (4:56 am)
I haven't quite ruled out the Vibe yet, but am leaning toward the Matrix, mostly for the reasons that nippononly brought up. I hear the roof rack on the Vibe does add noise. Also, the Toyota will definitely hold its value better. But it really is a tossup. I'd say go with whatever car you think has better styling.
Couple of other reasons to pick the Matrix over the Vibe:
1) The Matrix comes with a cassette and a CD, which is important to me because I can use the cassette deck to listen to my MP3 player.
2) Some say that the visibility from inside the Matrix is a little better because of the slightly different styling.
3) The Vibe is a bit more expensive, and since some Toyota dealers are willing to sell the 2004 at only a little over invoice, it seems that the Matrix is a better deal considering that its value will hold up better.
#2010 of 3315 To respond to recent posts...
May 20, 2003 (7:00 am)
Hi Folks - Regarding the Vibe vs the Matrix, you may also want to check out this discussion: Matrix & Vibe Enthusiasts - Compare Notes. Also, feel free to copy/paste your recent posts, comparing the two, into this discussion. Others passing through there will appreciate your notes. Thanks!
To halowse - Congratulations! We look forward to hearing about your delivery experience.... Happy motoring!
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#2011 of 3315 Matrix vs. Jetta 1.8T
May 20, 2003 (8:48 pm)
These are different cars -- a hatchback and a sedan. The better VW analog would be Golf 1.8T 5-door which I wanted to buy, but VW was producing it for only about one year, so one cannot get a new one now. VW is stupid enough to keep this engine for Golf GTI only, because it is a "sporty" 3-door car (at least this what I was told on the LA car show). Now, if my info is correct, they pulled 1.8T from wagon as well. How "sporty" is Jetta then, I wonder? It is just a plain boring sedan.
Considering Matrix: Yamaha engine is good and high-revving, but a car of this weight need more low-end torque. Will wait till 2.0 high-rev engine or will go for WRX wagon. Still undecided... But I have enough time to think this over, my Camry is simply bulletproof.