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305 messages, Last post on Aug 09, 2008 at 8:36 PM
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| The bigger Saturn is a nice looking vehicle but Consumer reports says they have horrendous reliability problems. I too wish Toyota would build a decent looking wagon in the Camry series | |
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but they are now concentrating on the "SUV" market. The new Camry wagon is called the Highlander (give it some SUV styling cues, and charge alot more than you could if you called it a Camry wagon) Frank |
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I'm a wagon fan, and I gotta say there are some nice looking alternatives showing up! I like just about all of them except for that Mazda Premacy, which is ironice because we own two Mazdas. You won't see full size wagons any time soon because SUVs have a much wider profit margin. That plus CAFE ensure it. Lexus has a pair of SUVs, too, the LX470 and the RX300, so you could say Toyota sells 7 of them. Sport wagons are making a comeback, though. It's about time! -juice |
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| There are a lot of photos of upcoming hatchbacks here, but darn few (if any) wagons. Agree with dohc32v and others that a genuine station wagon has to be big enough to hold a 4x8 sheet of plywood with the hatch closed. Unfortunately, they don't seem to make them anymore. I own a `94 Camry wagon with a third seat and it's great - drives like a car and packs like a truck. Want to get a new wagon, but for the money, nothing comes close. I guess maybe the Passat is about as close as I'll get. | |
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I disagree. If the roof line goes beyond the top of the rear doors, it's a wagon. Even in the case of the Protoge5, it's a wagon. Call it a small wagon if you'd like. -juice |
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It is hard to say what qualifies as a wagon. Even a VW Golf 2 door hatchback has a roof that extends past the rear doors. I used to think that having a window behind the rear door was what made a car a wagon, but I saw a geo metro 4 door hatch the other day and it had a window behind the rear door. |
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OK, let me rephrase that. You have to have 3 windows along the side, including a D-pillar, too. The Golf is odd just because it has a very wide C-pillar. There is no D-pillar because no window resides behind the door. So it's not a wagon. The Matrix, Vibe, Protoge5, and SportCross all have a 3rd windows and a D-pillar, though they are small. -juice PS They do make a Golf wagon in Europe, with an extra window and a D-pillar. Oddly, it's not the same as the Jetta wagon. |
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There are so many choices and different approaches. There are a range of vehicles and at some point a line get's drawn and the vehicles are put together. Some like Chrysler PT Cruiser is called a "truck" to defeat some CAFE requirements, <it has a flat floor, which is somehow significent>. If we can't figure out what a truck is (as opposed to a car), we will never agree on what a wagon is (or a SUV, or a mini-SUV, or a hatchback, or a ....) Frank |
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You're right, totally. The lines have blurred. The PT is actually classified as a minivan, go figure. They may not do a convertible because it would lose the truck categorization. So these aren't wagon in the traditional sense. Maybe we should call them sport wagons, or fastbacks, or 5 doors. -juice |
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