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#387 of 3348 MY 2002 Aluminum 4.6L V-8
Aug 26, 2001 (11:19 am)
We're just coming off of a lease on a 1998 Durango. While it's been O.K., we're not in love with it and want to try to address it's shortcomings with our next ride. (ride, braking, mileage, cheap interior, etc.)We've checked out the Jeep GC and new Ford Explorer. Can't seem to get over the lack of space and seating in the Jeep - otherwise it has great style, interior, and ride (solid axles at both ends notwithstanding). We drove the Ford and it seemed to have it all (almost) then I noticed what I thought was the 4.6L from the rest of the Ford applications (Crown Vic, Mustang, etc.) is actually a NEW aluminum V-8. I can't remember a successful launch of an aluminum V-8. History records disaster after disaster. Any feedback? Is this engine anywhere else in the Ford line with some track history? We like the truck, but this scares me to death. (This is the same reason I didn't even look at an Envoy)
Aug 26, 2001 (11:39 am)
Yes, this is the same engine block used in the Mustang. It's been around for a few years now, even in aluminum form. It is new for the Explorer application, and only has a single overhead camshaft per cylinder bank, as opposed to two in the Mustang.
As an aside, I have an all aluminum 3.9L V8 in my Lincoln LS (Jaguar design - used also in the Jag S-Type). On all accounts, this has been a very reliable engine. I wouldn't be deterred by the fact that it's an all aluminum desgin. All the major manufacturers have gone to aluminum blocks in recent years without trouble.
#390 of 3348 Aluminum engine
Aug 26, 2001 (2:39 pm)
I'm not sure if this applies to the Explorer, but the problem with aluminum engines occurs when an aluminum head is paired with a cast iron block. The two metals react to heat differently and expand/contract at different rates.
Aug 26, 2001 (3:38 pm)
Sorry to disappoint you, but I am an average auto buyer, and in no way, shape, or form work for Ford, or any other auto company, dealership, or other. I am a mechanical engineer though, and am knowledgeable enough to know that complex mechanical devices break, despite the best efforts put in by myriads of people involved in the process. If you don't like, or trust your dealer, find another. If you're not convinced that Ford, or any other manufacturer can build a decent product, then DON'T BUY IT!
Car maintenance can be both frustrating and expensive. For most people, maintenance issues are a complete mystery, unable or unwilling to understand or trust their dealership service advisors. In many cases, the mistrust is well founded. There are plenty of lousy service shops out there, and they can be associated with any brand of vehicle, not just Ford.
The average person is far better off trying to work with their dealer/service shop in a positive rather than antagonistic manner. I don't know if that is the case with the person that posted earlier, but it's awfully easy to place the blame on a manufacturer for problems that are caused (or not solved) by dealers. Sorry if I don't sound objective, but I happen to own a Ford product (my first actually -- a 2000 Lincoln LS) and have been thoroughly impressed with it, and my dealer.
My two previous cars were Nissans. While I was pleased with the cars over the 10 years I owned them, the service department that used to take care of me gradually declined (through personnel turnover) to the point where I was put-off enough to find another dealer for service.
One other thing mazman . . . lay off on the personal attacks, they don't do anyone any good. You don't know me, so don't pretend that you do.
Aug 26, 2001 (4:37 pm)
I totally agree with your last post. Part of getting a problem solved with your service dept hinges on your own attitude. Furthermore I feel it is unfair to single out Ford dealerships for bad service. At my place of employment I am responsible for purchasing and maintaining the vehicles driven by our executives. I can tell you horror stories about experiences at Buick, Honda, Mercedes, BMW and Chrysler dealerships. One dealership charged me for an alignment they never performed. Another dealership (BMW) feels that it is not unreasonable to have to purchase new brake rotors every 20,000 miles. Chrysler found nothing unusual about replacing air conditioning condensor on a minivan with 70,000 miles 3 different times. The list goes on. I have purchased over 50 vehicles in the past 15 years and in my experience there is no such thing as a vehicle without its share of design or dealership problems. Cars are more complex than ever and will have things go wrong.
#393 of 3348 Rebate upon rebate.
Aug 27, 2001 (10:08 am)
We recently leased a '02 Explorer for my wife to use, so now we both drive '02 Explorers. Something came up while we searched for a model with all the options she wanted: I was entitled to the Explorer Owner Loyalty rebate ($750) even though I wasn't trading in my Explorer. This was on top of the current $500 Explorer rebate and $500 rebate for releasing a Ford. (We were done with our Windstar.) I bring this up, not to crow, but to make everyone aware of it. One dealer informed me of it, and the dealer I leased from didn't know about it. I was happy to inform him.
Anyone have any suggestions for obnoxious his and her vanity plates?
#394 of 3348 his & hers rebates plates
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Aug 27, 2001 (10:16 am)
lol, congrats on your new rides, tvbrain. Maybe you should peruse the License plates, bumper stickers etc. discussion for some ideas. With an member name like tvbrain, you should be able to come up with something fun for when the two Explorers are parked side by side in your driveway
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#395 of 3348 Just picked up our 2002 Mountaineer
Aug 29, 2001 (7:35 am)
My wife and I just picked up our '02 Mountaineer AWD V6 last night. We paid invoice for it (tried to get it for less, and they pretty much fell on the floor). It is more or less fully loaded (no moonroof, instead aux air, otherwise just about everything else).
I am very comfortable in it (I'm 6'4") and we already love the memory seat since both my wife and I will be driving it and our seat positions vary greatly. I am also comfortable driving it even though I am coming from a 5 speed manual sports coupe.
The thing I am most impressed by at this point is the ease of use of all the features. Everything is pretty intuitive, the keyless entry and door key-pad are very well thought out, the six disk changer is very nice, and the climate control works very well.
#396 of 3348 Congrats on new Mountaineer
Aug 29, 2001 (1:15 pm)
bang21 - Congratulations on your new Mountaineer! As you say it's pretty much loaded, does that mean you got both the Luxury and Convenience option groups? How about Reverse sensing system and side curtain airbags?
Please report back again after you've gotten a few miles on it, and can comment on ride, handling, and overall satisfaction. I hope to getting into one before the end of the year, and I'd like to hear from more folks that have already taken the plunge!