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Ford Explorer, Mercury Mountaineer, SUV
#381 of 3348 Thank you for sharing fiery1
Aug 24, 2001 (6:12 pm)
Thanks for your feedback. However, I do not share in your view of Ford. I'm quite pleased (ecstatic, actually) about my 2000 Lincoln LS (purchased in Sept. 99). I have also had the opportunity to meet several Lincoln managers, and Ford Engineers and am genuinely enthused and impressed with the direction of Ford, generally, and Lincoln-Mercury specifically. If I were to wait until the 2003 model year, I'd also have the Lincoln Aviator high on my shopping list. As you may or may not know, the Aviator will be Lincoln's new SUV based off the same Explorer / Mountaineer chasis. I have not yet heard how Lincoln intends to differentiate the Aviator from the existing Explorer and Mountaineer models. I think it would be safe to assume improved engine performance, but beyond that, I'm uncertain.
What kind of fuel mileage are you getting on the V6? What's your impression of acceleration and passing power? I would appreciate it if other's would provide their feedback as well. I'm leaning toward the V8 engine for improved passing power and hill climbing (for long, 7% highway grades, as opposed to steep off-road trails).
Has the rear lift-gate glass issue been adequately resolved? What tires choices seem to be best?
#382 of 3348 2002 Mountaineer Harsh Shifting
Aug 25, 2001 (6:56 am)
I am getting my 2002 Mountaineer back for the second time to fix the hard shifting problem. The dealer is re-programming the computer for the second time. They claim the re-programming does not always work on every transmission and Ford is aware of this problem. Has anyone had the transmission re-programmed and found it did not fix the problem.
#383 of 3348 2002 Mercury Mountaineer Delivery Problems
Aug 25, 2001 (8:54 am)
Here's more on the continuing saga re delays on delivery of the 2002 Mountaineers. Ordered mine in mid may. Projected delivery was 6 weeks. We're coming up on 14 weeks and still no truck.The worst of it is I sold my Grand Cherokee first of July. Hopefully, those of you who'll be ordering wont make the same mistake I did.
#384 of 3348 To Lola42
Aug 25, 2001 (10:39 am)
See my message #327 for mileage experience on a
low mileage V6 2WD Explorer. As the message
states the figures were collected before the
ownners manual recommends mileage be computed.
There is plenty of power for hill climbing with
the V6 on a 2WD model. With 4 adults and 2
children in car seats my Explorer will climb out
of the Salt Lake Valley, (I don't know what the
gradient is) where you go from abou 4,500 ft.
above sea level to 7,000 ft. ASL in about 15 or
20 miles, without straining. All the while
maintaning the 65 mph speed limit. It does
require energy management - don't get bogged
down behind an 18 wheeler and expect lightning acceleration back to 65. The OHC V6 appears to have far more acceleration than the push rod
V6 in my '93. If I were going to tow a boat or camping trailer there would be no doubt about the need for the V8.
Aug 25, 2001 (3:00 pm)
I said what I said about Ford due to my personal experience with my 97 Exploder. The minite it went out of warranty, it went under continual breakage. From the timing chain tensioners to the tranny to the air conditioner to the radio and electronics... tires, brakes, and back to more timing chain problems and oil leaks and AC compressor again, and each/every time it was a battle to get them to fix it right and ebven under warranty back in the early times, getting a loaner car was hell. I speak from experience in that personally, I will never have another Ford product after this Mountaineer 2002. I leased it to the point of warranty end, and that is IT for me. The very week I rid myself of the 1997, I got 3 recall notices on 3 different things to add to the 4 I had gotten in the previous month for other things, similar in nature. That was the final straw -- me realizing that in good conscience, I couldn't ever sell that car to anyone.
As for the new 02, My worst gas mileage has been 15.6 average miles-per-gallon tankful with a full load of kids/adults (6) and stuff on the roof + both air conditioners going. The best was with just me on the freeway and using the air cond only on my way home.. that was a 17.8 average mile-per-gallon tankful.
I like the "small things" like the memory seats that are heated, and the brushed metal look inside. On another tack here, I was rear-ended in it in Santa barbara on vacation and was hit hard -- hard enough to gash the rear bumper cover and that was minor. More minor than I expected as I was hit hard. No damage to the absorber back there or the parts under the bumper cover!
#386 of 3348 a36 and fiery1
Aug 25, 2001 (4:07 pm)
Thanks for the insight, I appreciate the quick responses. I take it that gas mileage is about what the EPA figures suggest. I do anticipate towing on occasion, so I feel more confident in going with the V8.
fiery1: Recalls are done to correct potentially unsafe conditions. Once performed, I wouldn't feel too concerned about the vehicle's safety. While you seemed to have more than your fair share of problems with your 97 Explorer, perhaps some of your difficulty was attributed to your dealer (maybe not). I dont mean to sound "preachy", but periodic maintenance is key when you plan to keep the vehicle for many years, and that usually entails good communication with your dealer's service shop. Also, not all dealerships are the same. If you aren't getting your vehicle serviced to your satisfaction, you should definitely seek out another.
The good thing about domestic brands is that you usually have many more choices than with imports, not to mention spare part costs. That consideration alone heavily influences my decision to purchase the Explorer/Mountaineer rather than the Mercedes. I live in Phoenix, Arizona, where there are 2 Mercedes dealerships. Outside of Phoenix, you'll find 1 more in Tucson, then you have to go to California! No thanks. If I have a problem near the Grand Canyon, I know I can get repairs implemented quickly if need be. I'm not trying to slam Mercedes, or any import for that matter, it's just that vehicles are complicated machines that will break-down, regardless of whether they're taken care of or not.
I happen to like the interior versatility of the Explorer/Mountaineer over any other offering in the mid size SUVs. It doesn't hurt that it's also a domestic.
#387 of 3348 MY 2002 Aluminum 4.6L V-8
Aug 26, 2001 (11:19 am)
We're just coming off of a lease on a 1998 Durango. While it's been O.K., we're not in love with it and want to try to address it's shortcomings with our next ride. (ride, braking, mileage, cheap interior, etc.)We've checked out the Jeep GC and new Ford Explorer. Can't seem to get over the lack of space and seating in the Jeep - otherwise it has great style, interior, and ride (solid axles at both ends notwithstanding). We drove the Ford and it seemed to have it all (almost) then I noticed what I thought was the 4.6L from the rest of the Ford applications (Crown Vic, Mustang, etc.) is actually a NEW aluminum V-8. I can't remember a successful launch of an aluminum V-8. History records disaster after disaster. Any feedback? Is this engine anywhere else in the Ford line with some track history? We like the truck, but this scares me to death. (This is the same reason I didn't even look at an Envoy)
Aug 26, 2001 (11:39 am)
Yes, this is the same engine block used in the Mustang. It's been around for a few years now, even in aluminum form. It is new for the Explorer application, and only has a single overhead camshaft per cylinder bank, as opposed to two in the Mustang.
As an aside, I have an all aluminum 3.9L V8 in my Lincoln LS (Jaguar design - used also in the Jag S-Type). On all accounts, this has been a very reliable engine. I wouldn't be deterred by the fact that it's an all aluminum desgin. All the major manufacturers have gone to aluminum blocks in recent years without trouble.
#390 of 3348 Aluminum engine
Aug 26, 2001 (2:39 pm)
I'm not sure if this applies to the Explorer, but the problem with aluminum engines occurs when an aluminum head is paired with a cast iron block. The two metals react to heat differently and expand/contract at different rates.