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Ford Explorer, Mercury Mountaineer, SUV
#3069 of 3348 Re: nvbanker [daryll44] Matador [nvbanker] [daryll44]
Jan 19, 2006 (8:31 pm)
Hey guys - I am still an AMC fan. My brother and I bought a used 1970 AMX in 1975 (remember those - 2 seats?) when we were in high school, then one of my sisters joined us in replacing it with a 1979 Trans Am WS6 400 4-speed. In 1970 my mother bought a 1970 Ambassador which had been a rental and we gave it away in 1986 at about 140,000 miles. The Borg-Warner automatic had started to show signs of its age, and it had some rust in the unit-body upper frame rails (due to storage outdoors in the last several years before we gave it away), but it was very reliable and the AMC V8 in both of those cars was a very good engine. Remember the fold-flat coil spring seats dating back to the Ramber and maybe even the Nash or Hudson days (AMC was formed when Nash and Hudson merged)?
I only wish the new Explorer and other new Fords, for all that they cost, had seats with real coil springs, at least as an option.
As for resale value, I remember posting here about the dismal resale value of my 2002 Mountaineer V8, with almost 100,000 miles. I still can not think of something better I could have bought in mid-2001, and the Mountaineer, although rougher and noiser than I liked (things fixed in the 2006 version) was highly reliable after a few initial build defects were quickly fixed.
#3070 of 3348 Re: Real World MPG [chuck1]
Jan 23, 2006 (6:16 pm)
i think the ral reason is that the 4.6 is a better engine than the 4.0. the 4.6 designed with a wider operating range.
#3071 of 3348 Deprecation of Explorers
Jan 24, 2006 (10:42 am)
Vehicle deprecation is a function of supply and demand. With Ford stuck in over capicity on the Explorer, this is a problem.
There are way more out there than there is a demand for.
Also the Explorer expecially prior to the 06 model had the most incentive money of any new Ford. Every time Ford throws out a rebate or a sweetheart lease deal, your truck gets depreciated.
The good news is that Ford is trying to end doing business this way, and will idle 1 Explorer pant to bring supply more in line with demand.
#3072 of 3348 Re: Deprecation of Explorers [mschmal]
Jan 24, 2006 (2:17 pm)
It's a shame - this is the best Explorer Ford has ever built - and it's not selling. Partly due to gas prices.
#3073 of 3348 Re: Deprecation of Explorers [nvbanker]
Jan 25, 2006 (3:07 pm)
Gas prices are a big factor, but blatant errors, such as the lack of reachable door handles, certainly hurt, and probably hurt more than Ford knows or is willing to admit. Isn't it stunning to see Ford, with all of its people and money, producing a vehicle with such an annoying and obvious defect which any of those on this forum could have identified after a short time with the vehicle?
Also, once the Freestyle has the 3.5 V6, new six speed automatic, and revised front styling, who but people towing will need an Explorer?
Even the people towing could just as easily buy an Expedition, or a new Tahoe / Yukon with cylinder shut off which allows them to achieve the same mileage ratings as the smaller Explorer.
#3074 of 3348 Explorer vs Expedition
Jan 25, 2006 (3:58 pm)
The door handle is going to be fixed for the 07 model year by adding a cup to the arm rest.
This obvious solution should have been in place from the get go.
I hope the person that screwd it up is one of the peeps getting the AXE!
#3075 of 3348 Re: Deprecation of Explorers [fsmmcsi]
Jan 25, 2006 (4:29 pm)
"Gas prices are a big factor, but blatant errors, such as the lack of reachable door handles, certainly hurt, and probably hurt more than Ford knows or is willing to admit."
Let's not forget that the (exterior) styling made no major inroads in the redesign for '06. Look at the new Yukon and Tahoes... much improved. And isn't the Freestyle going over to Mercury and will be discontinued as a Ford? It's too bad about the layoffs that are coming. But if they built more of cars and trucks that people would want to buy ...they would be OK. You can't carry the company the size of Ford with the Mustang and F150. The 500 is a joke and the Fusion isn't good enough to go up against the Accord and the new redesigned Camry!
#3076 of 3348 Re: Deprecation of Explorers [chuck1]
Jan 25, 2006 (5:42 pm)
have you actually seen the to tahoe? it does not look a good as the pictures.
exterior styling is not reason the explorer is not selling.
the door handles are not it either.
general bashing posts are obvious for their lack of thought.
Jan 25, 2006 (6:10 pm)
"Also, once the Freestyle has the 3.5 V6, new six speed automatic, and revised front styling, who but people towing will need an Explorer?"
Some people prefer riding higher, or having a higher ground clearance. I was able to talk my mother down from a Navi, to a '06 Mountaineer...and not because I used the fuel issue, but more like "HEY, dad has a Navi, do you REALLY want to have twin vehicles? Isn't that unimaginative and tacky"... And I won that war.
And in her case, she didn't like the lower feeling of the FS. And when she's PMS-ing, she'll throw the car over curbs/sidewalks...and not wait for curb cuts. So considering how she abused the vehicles, the FS wouldn't have been best suited for her.
#3078 of 3348 Re: Deprecation of Explorers [explorerx4]
Jan 25, 2006 (7:03 pm)
Have you seen and read about the new Camry? Is there any question that Toyota isn't going to sell a TON of these?