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Ford Explorer, Mercury Mountaineer, SUV
#2731 of 3348 Re: A Ford Explorer vs. Mercury Mountaineer [spring25]
Jul 17, 2005 (7:32 pm)
I have a 2003 Eddie Bauer Explorer with V6 and 4WD, which I bought for towing snowmobiles in Wisconsin. Nice truck, but I question if it would be a good choice for New York City. If you can get a good, low miles used one, your total cost will almost always be lower (lower payment, lower depreciation, lower insurance, etc.). Remember, the highest cost of a car is DEPRECIATION. If it's an 03 or newer it should have factory warranty remaining and may be "certified" (by the way, the "certified" warranty only costs your dealer about $350, so don''t pay a $2,000 premium for "certified"). New has advantage of factory warranty, but new vehicles can have problems too. From a practicality standpoint a minivan is probably a better bet than the Mountaineer (and has more room too). Honda Odyssey is the gold standard minivan. SUV's are not that good for city driving, and the Merc Mountaineer/Ford Explorer has notoriously bad city gas mileage (real life: with V6, 15-17mpg is about all you can expect, probably less in NYC traffic.) Generally, SUVs are high maintenance, despite their tough-guy image. Particularly hard on brakes, tires, and driveline components.
General advice for dealing with dealers: Leave the kids at home. Take a friend who is experienced negotiating with dealers. Research the value of your trade, and the car you are buying, and know the correct price difference between your trade and whatever you're buying. Don't pay more than that difference, and don't let them confuse you by fiddling with the trade and sales price, which they WILL do. If the deal isn't to your liking, be ready to walk away. You the customer hold the ultimate power tool: Your money. Remember: Unless your car is totally dead, you don't have to buy, but they eventually have to sell or they're out of business.
#2732 of 3348 Re: A Ford Explorer vs. Mercury Mountaineer [rollin59]
Jul 18, 2005 (11:36 am)
Thank you very much for your advise, I greatly appreciated !
I already have 2 friends that volunteer to go with me, and wont allow those shark car sales people to take advantage, we will be ready to walk if the deal they are giving me, it is not such of great deal for me. Thanks again for your input.
#2733 of 3348 A Ford Explorer vs. Mercury Mountaineer
Jul 18, 2005 (12:04 pm)
So, Rollin59 advised me to get a minivan instead of the Mountaineer, and I am thankful for his advise, but I am not ready for minivan yet, so It is possible I can find a SUV that is excellent ride and handling, fuel economy, seven seating,good crash score,stylish and safe, comfortable cabin with user-friendly layout and of course within a decent price range???
Anybody??? suggestions please?????
#2734 of 3348 fuel economy, seven seating by spring25
Jul 18, 2005 (1:52 pm)
I suggest a test drive in a Freestyle.
#2735 of 3348 Re: A Ford Explorer vs. Mercury Mountaineer [spring25]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jul 18, 2005 (2:19 pm)
Sounds like a good question for the SUV vs. Minivans discussion.
#2736 of 3348 Re: A Ford Explorer vs. Mercury Mountaineer [spring25]
Jul 19, 2005 (8:13 pm)
My minivan experience.....
Toyota Sienna - BEST, but most expensive.
Honda Odyssey - Also great, older design, also expensive.
Dodge Caravan - Darn good van, good design, pretty good reliability.
Ford Freestar/Mercury Monterey - Better than you think. Older design, but hold up surprisingly well.
GM any of the 5 copies they make - Too narrow, old tech, worst of the bunch.
#2737 of 3348 Sold My 2002 Mountaineer Today
Jul 24, 2005 (2:07 pm)
I sold my 2002 Mountaineer (V8, RWD, every option except sunroof and running boards, just under 98,000 miles, always garaged, California car with no rust, excellent in and out) to Car Max today for $8,800. The trade-in values on the web average $12,000. This just shows how fast the market for SUVs is shrinking.
#2738 of 3348 Re: Sold My 2002 Mountaineer Today [fsmmcsi]
Jul 24, 2005 (4:14 pm)
Wow, you were desperate to sell it? Don't count on that being a result of the SUV market shrinking, although, no doubt, it is less vibrant than before. My friend was just offered $8000 for her Camry on a trade for a new one, and the KBB trade in value is $12,500, Manheim wholesale value is $12,700. You just got Car Maxxed, that's all. And they made a quick $4000-5000 on your trade. They can put it through the auction for $12,000, or try to retail it for $14,000.
#2739 of 3348 Re: Sold My 2002 Mountaineer Today [nvbanker]
Jul 24, 2005 (5:49 pm)
NVBanker - I was desperate only to the extent that I knew the value would plumet if it went beyond 100,000 miles, and it had reached just below 98,000. I had previously advertised it myself, and the best anyone would offer was approximately what I got, and many wanted to pay far less. Also, I would much reather sell to a dealer than to a private party, because there is no way for the buyer to come back and complain to me if something breaks. I tolerated the rough ride and excessive mechanical noise, wind noise, and vibration for almost 4 years and almost 98,000 miles, but that was enough. I understand that the 2002 to 2005 models are far smoother than earlier models, and anyone who has one they like, especially in light of the current resale values, will probably want to keep it until it is only worth $2,000 or $3,000. That was my original plan. In my case, the ride and noise were more of an issue due to the high annual mileage I drive and the poor quality of southern California freeways.
Jul 26, 2005 (8:49 am)
A reporter is interested in speaking with people who used to own a Ford Explorer, but have since traded it in for a different vehicle. If you’re a former Explorer owner and would be interested in speaking with this reporter, please send your name and daytime phone number to Pam Krebs, Edmunds.com PR, at pkrebsedmunds.com by Thursday, July 28.