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#2593 of 3348 Release with bad rear end? Toyota reliability.
Jun 17, 2005 (8:59 pm)
Unless the rear end is singing from the factory, how are they to know it is bad? It took several thousand miles for the problem to show up, and it was probably an assembly defect. It was fixed promptly, so it certainly did not bother me. If anything, all of the evidence above suggests that Ford has improved dramatically.
I just do not buy the Toyota reliability myth. Why do they and others sell so many parts for Toyotas if they never fail? Why have they had their share of recalls?
I just discovered an outright design defect in my new Sienna. My back (shoulders / neck) have really been bothering me since I got it 4,500 miles and 45 days ago. It is definitely the car, not me. I thought the seat was junk, but thanks to another Edmunds user, I just discovered that the steering column is slanted to one side (closer to the front of the car on the left). It is a big enough angle that it amounts to several inches at the seat. I was planning to have the seat re-stuffed and the hot to sit on solid leather replaced with perforated leather (as on the Mountaineer) or cloth, but now I may sell the thing. It has the smoothness the 2002 Mountaineer lacks (and which the 2006 Mountaineer apparently will have), and is quiet and very handy for my needs, but I may not be able to keep it. It also gets only slightly better mileage than teh Mountaineer, even though it is rated much higher.
If I sell it, I will certainly re-consider the 2006 Mountaineer, 2007 Explorer SportTrac, and other Ford products.
#2594 of 3348 Re: Release with bad rear end? Toyota reliability. [fsmmcsi]
Jun 17, 2005 (10:11 pm)
Why do they and others sell so many parts for Toyotas if they never fail?
Because they wear out? Was that a trick question?
#2595 of 3348 Re: Release with bad rear end? Toyota reliability. [fsmmcsi]
Jun 18, 2005 (1:57 am)
Your story is unfortunately. But there are 10 times as many folks going in the OTHER direction as you...and I don't mean in reference to driving up the street.
#2596 of 3348 10 times as many folks... by daryll44
Jun 18, 2005 (6:41 am)
If you expect to have any credibility here, try to be more factual.
10 times as many??
In God we trust; all others bring data.
#2597 of 3348 C'mon. You know darn well that the trend
Jun 18, 2005 (4:38 pm)
is OVERWHELMING going AWAY from Ford and GM and toward Toyota, Honda and now Hyundai. OK, so maybe it's not 10 to 1 (although it's possible that the bleeding IS that bad), you get my point but are nitpicking because you don't like it. In the end, the marketplace has clearly recognized that those imports are doing a much better job delivering quality, durability, design and economy.
#2598 of 3348 Re: C'mon. You know darn well that the trend [daryll44]
Jun 18, 2005 (4:44 pm)
I have to agree, look GM's market share trend over the past 10 to 20 years. It's anything but a pretty picture!
#2599 of 3348 C'mon. You know darn well that the trend by daryll44
Jun 18, 2005 (6:37 pm)
Jun 18, 2005 (7:20 pm)
Could you please tell me what happened to the emoticons, or am I the only one who had them at the bottom of the post screen (this screen) and now they are MIA...
#2601 of 3348 Re: tidester [marsha7]
by steve_ HOST
Jun 18, 2005 (7:27 pm)
They've been coming and going while a bug is being swatted. They'll be back for good soon.
#2602 of 3348 Re: C'mon. You know darn well that the trend [chuck1]
Jun 19, 2005 (9:22 pm)
Hate to actually dignify this lame argument with a comment, but being a fool, I will add my comment as I always do....
There's no question the Asians and Europeans are eating the Domestics market share away year after year, but it's not all about reliability folks. It's also about price (Hyundia, Kia), Warranty (Hyundai), and a general Generation Y hatred of all things American that roll. Until we figure out how to sell cars to them, or their kids, this isn't going to reverse much.