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#2583 of 3320 Another Factor To Consider by daryll44 Jun 16, 2005 (9:42 am)
is age in months/years. A vehicle that is driven 100,000 miles in 3 years will probably be in better shape than a vehicle driven 100,000 over 10 years. Certain parts deteriorate as a function of use (shocks, for instance) and other parts deteroriate primarily as a function of time (seals and battery for instance). I think for purposes of discussion, however, normally we are referring to vehicles that are driven the "normal" 10,000 to 15,000 miles per year.
#2584 of 3320 05 Mercury Mountaineer Rear Window Failure by mercjack05 Jun 16, 2005 (11:59 am)
Just lost the second rear window in my new mountaineer (3400 mi) while parked over night in a fenced parking lot. Any one else having problems with the lift gate window shattering for no appearent reason. My only guess is the temperature change (50 at night and 90 during the day). I have heard of this before but twice in the last two months is unreal. So far the insurance co and the dealer have been of no help. I have no reason to suspect vandleism Replies to this message: eagleone1 (Mar 10, 2006 7:31 am)
#2585 of 3320 05 Mercury Mountaineer Rear Window Failure by lateralg Jun 16, 2005 (1:42 pm)
Tempered glass is intolerant of even tiny nicks in the edges, as well as moderate impacts by very sharp, small objects. When you get this one replaced, carefully inspect all the edges & the mounts. I suspect damage during installation of the second one.
#2586 of 3320 Durability, cost of longer warranty to Ford by fsmmcsi Jun 16, 2005 (9:38 pm)
My 2002 Mountaineer came from the factory with three defects - a pinched fuel tank vent hose, a mark in the paint, and a rear differential which had been improperly assembled (it was singing loundly after just a few thousand miles). All were corrected promptly, and all would have been covered under any warranty. Since then, one small $25 idler pully on the front of the engine was replaced at 90-some thousand miles. That is it. It is radically more reliable than the 1996 Chevrolet Impala SS it replaced, and is significantly better than the 1994 Thunderbird we had. Replies to this message: chuck1 (Jun 17, 2005 7:18 am)
#2587 of 3320 Re: Durability, cost of longer warranty to Ford [fsmmcsi] by chuck1 Jun 17, 2005 (7:18 am)
Replying to: fsmmcsi (Jun 16, 2005 9:38 pm) My 2002 Mountaineer came from the factory with three defects - a pinched fuel tank vent hose, a mark in the paint, and a rear differential which had been improperly assembled (it was singing loundly after just a few thousand miles).   It's really amazing what we as owners settle for. We all know about the rear differential. I don't think the other two items should have ever gotten past the"QC" at the point of assembly! Just my thoughts......
#2588 of 3320 three defects by chuck1 by lateralg Jun 17, 2005 (11:25 am)
Three?   Out of how many thousands of parts, and thousands of connections? In addition to component complexity ... radios with more computer power than Apollo space ships.   And trying to test each combination in each of thousands of modes of operation in the field.   I wish my personal failure rate was that low.
#2589 of 3320 Three? Yes! But you are missing the point by daryll44 Jun 17, 2005 (12:59 pm)
You are missing the point. The point is that the Japanese, by and large, have (near) ZERO.   And INITIAL quality isn't really the big issue under discussion here. Three defects, five defects, zero defects...it doesn't matter really because they get fixed under warranty. The REAL issue is what happens AFTER the warranty period. In other words, will Explorer have good LONG TERM DURABILITY without unreasonable repairs? And how does that LONG TERM DURABILITY stack up to the Japanese competition?
#2590 of 3320 Three? Yes! But you are missing the point by lateralg Jun 17, 2005 (1:33 pm)
YOU madeTHE point VERY easy TO miss WITH your STATEMENT:   "My 2002 Mountaineer came from the factory with three defects - a pinched fuel tank vent hose, a mark in the paint, and a rear differential which had been improperly assembled (it was singing loundly after just a few thousand miles).    It's really amazing what we as owners settle for. We all know about the rear differential. I don't think the other two items should have ever gotten past the"QC" at the point of assembly! Just my..."   Do YOU have ANSWERS to THE questions YOU raised? Replies to this message: chuck1 (Jun 17, 2005 3:57 pm)
#2591 of 3320 Re: Three? Yes! But you are missing the point [lateralg] by chuck1 Jun 17, 2005 (3:57 pm)
Replying to: lateralg (Jun 17, 2005 1:33 pm) Here is the point in my thinking. It is inexcusable to release a new vehicle with a bad rear-end. Period! Car makers have been manufacturing cars for over 100 years. After one hundred years-you should be able to buy a first-year vehicle and not get a bad rear end. Before someone calls me a "Ford Basher"-I'll list below the Ford vehicles I have owned:   96 Contour 96 Mercury Mystique '98 Contours (2) 95 Mercury Sable 94(?) Tempo '02 Explorer (Currently) '05 Taurus (Not "owned" but company provided vehicle) Take the Contours and Mystique listed above. The Duratec V6 in these vehicles that was an option (I heard co-developed by Porsche) was nothing short of a remarkable piece of technology. However, to save on weight they used a water pump with a plastic impeller. It would break at 50K like clockwork. This is also inexcusable! Let's call it like it is and not make excuses for all the automakers!!
#2592 of 3320 My Mother Had a '98 Mystique by daryll44 Jun 17, 2005 (5:21 pm)
My mom had a '98 Mystique...she eventually dubbed it "Mercury Mistake". It was recalled about 10 times in the 25,000 miles over 4 years or so that she had it. Mom was a 65 year old "I'll never buy a foreign car" person. Until that "Mystake"...after years and years of Ford and Chrysler products. Finally she broke down and "went foreign". Since 2002 she's had a 4 cylinder Camry and swears she'll never drive anything but Toyota again. Not one defect, no hassle, no fuss, no muss. Ford lost a life customer.   I see the new Ford Fusion is supposed to be the wondercar of the future. Seems to me that the Contour/Mystique was supposed to be that 10 years ago and the Tempo/Topaz before that. In other words, you can fool me once, shame on me....

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