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#2561 of 3320 Re: Sue ? by ANT14 [lateralg] by steve_ HOST [lateralg] by steve_ HOST May 29, 2005 (9:20 am)
Replying to: lateralg (May 29, 2005 5:39 am) hmmm, you're the one disputing the claim. Contrary evidence has been raised. The ball's back in your court to put your position forward - you can't expect others to do that work for you.   Steve, Host
#2562 of 3320 Transmission vs transmission controls? by fsmmcsi May 29, 2005 (9:51 am)
Maybe lateralg is not differentiating between the transmission itself and the transmission controls. The mechanical box does not have any ability to adjust, but the software in the control computer apparently does.
#2563 of 3320 Transmission vs transmission controls? by fsmmcsi by lateralg May 29, 2005 (10:28 am)
"but the software in the control computer apparently does."   The software does adjust, but NOT to the driver. It leaves the plant with optimal shift duration data stored in memory. As the computer experiences shifts, it compares the actual duration of the shift with optimum. It adjusts engagement and release timing and pressures to bring the shift duration closer to optimum. This can take several occurrences of a given shift before optimum timing is achieved. Note that a "given shift" is much more than a 1-2 shift. It's a 1-2 shift at various throttle openings and RPM. Same is true for the 2-3, 3-4, 4-5, 5-4,4-3,3-2,2-1, N-D, R-D shifts.    A big reason for this strategy is that the transmission automatically adjusts for clutch and band wear as the vehicle ages.   Please do not attempt to twist the above into any resemblance of adapting to DRIVER habits. It simply does not!   Steve, the only way I know to do what you propose is to post the name and number of an engineer at Transmission Engineering in Livonia. That isn't appropriate.   If ANT14 has the inside track that's implied in his posts, then he can get the correct information with no more than 3 phone calls. Replies to this message: steve_ (May 29, 2005 10:48 am)
#2564 of 3320 Pandora's Box by ANT14 May 29, 2005 (10:43 am)
"Steve, the only way I know to do what you propose is to post the name and number of an engineer at Transmission Engineering in Livonia. That isn't appropriate."   Considering Ford monitors these boards (and I know that as a fact). I wouldn't recommend posting such information. Fords legal representatives will get the information, issue a "John Doe" search and discovery towards Edmunds to release the IP of the person posting the claim, then file another search and discovery towards the IP provider, track down the informants stating such claims, and they can actually lose their jobs and face legal recourse for stating such claim which otherwise they wouldn't be able to release because it's considered insider espionage.   Specially considering it's information that can be detrimental over an issue in technnology Ford has claimed for many years to have offered, has included information over it to the media and boasted over it, mention it in the owner's manual, etc.... which could lead to private lawsuits on the side of Explorer owners. And all this because one or 2 engineers conclude otherwise.   So it's best to let the issue rest at this point without opening Pandora's Box....
#2565 of 3320 Re: Transmission vs transmission controls? by fsmmcsi [lateralg] by steve_ HOST May 29, 2005 (10:48 am)
Replying to: lateralg (May 29, 2005 10:28 am) This seems to be getting bogged down a bit in semantics. The transmission won't shift period without a driver putting the Explorer in gear and driving off. I suppose you could link to the applicable patents, but those things are too dense to figure out anyway.   Ok, if I take my tranny in for a reflash, the optimal shift duration data will get changed and the tranny will take a while to adjust. If I disconnect the battery to cause the tranny to relearn, aggressive or mild driving will just affect the time it takes for the tranny to figure out the optimal shift duration, based on throttle and rpm stuff. Or am I putting words in your mouth?   I think we're about done here...   Steve, Host
#2566 of 3320 am I putting words in your mouth? by lateralg May 29, 2005 (10:53 am)
Nope.   You nailed it, Steve.
#2567 of 3320 Fuel Reset? by daryll44 May 30, 2005 (12:10 pm)
Today I was riding as a front passenger in our 2003 Mountaineer. I noticed about ankle level there is a groove in the plastic kick panel that says "Fuel Reset" or something like that. What the heck is it? Replies to this message: chuck1 (May 30, 2005 1:59 pm)
#2568 of 3320 Re: Fuel Reset? [daryll44] by chuck1 May 30, 2005 (1:59 pm)
Replying to: daryll44 (May 30, 2005 12:10 pm) I believe that is the reset for a sensor that turns the fuel off from the gas tank in the event of a accident or rollover. I have heard cases where it "trips" if you go over a "washboard dirt road".
#2569 of 3320 Re: Fuel Reset? [daryll44] by chuck1 by lateralg May 30, 2005 (2:07 pm)
What Chuck said.   Although I haven't heard of rough road tripping. Replies to this message: electricdesign (May 30, 2005 4:45 pm)
#2570 of 3320 Re: Fuel Reset? [daryll44] by chuck1 [lateralg] by electricdesign May 30, 2005 (4:45 pm)
Replying to: lateralg (May 30, 2005 2:07 pm) Neither have I.

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