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Ford Explorer, Mercury Mountaineer, SUV
#2545 of 3348 Good points, Off road vs on-road
May 28, 2005 (9:47 am)
Anthony, you make good points. I wasn't quite clear - I wonder why everything on the 2006 model wasn't on the 2002 model? Perhaps Ford rushed the 2002 model because of the tire/flipping problem of the old design?
I see that the 2006 Mountaineer media information specifically references the very low rate of off road usage of SUVs and makes reference to changes meant to make the vehicle better on-road. I bought my 2002 Mountainner to have the utility of a wagon, the safety and repairability of a full frame, the driving dynamics of a V8 with rear wheel drive, a nice interior with fancy features, and the hitch to tow the speed boat I never bought. Of course, with the rise of modern station wagons such as the Freestyle, I wonder if the 2010 Explorer / Mountaineer will be repositioned to be more off-road capable to suit their names?
May 28, 2005 (10:36 am)
The Explorer mission will still be for heavy towing and off-road excursions. The Explorer will continue into the next decade with that mission and fullfill those that require those needs.
There's a new midsize car based SUV (internally nicknamed Edge). Think of it as a Highlander/Pilot competitor. Based off the CD3 architecture (Mazda6, Fusion, Milan, Zephyr) and be cloned after the next Lincoln Aviator and Mazda CX-7. Customers are expected to migrate into this, or the Freestyle if they believe the Explorer is too trucky for there needs.
#2547 of 3348 ANT14 - Adaptive Transmission Question
May 28, 2005 (11:04 am)
Can you tell me why the Explorer 5-speed auto transmission is sometimes referred to as "adaptive"?
May 28, 2005 (12:22 pm)
You mean, Adaptive Transmission Control ? Has 2 main functions. Adaptive Shift Scheduling, and Adaptive Shift Quality control. Together they allow the transmission to shift according to your driving behavior. From aggresive (would give you snappier shifts, to relaxed-smoother slower shifts). It takes cornering, uphill/downhill into consideration as well. ATC recognizes road conditions and tailors itself according to various input from other driveline components to pick/shift the best gear possible at the best time possible.
Although off the record, there's a few vehicles where ATC is a bit "extreme" and somewhat annoying. Explorer and Mustang both with the 4.0L., but I won't go into that...
May 28, 2005 (1:51 pm)
"Together they allow the transmission to shift according to your driving behavior."
Aww, Ant; I had hoped you'd do better on this one.
The above quote is believed by many, but is simply not true. The Explorer 5-speed auto transmission has no feature that recognizes or adapts to a person's driving behavior. After a few thousand miles, it will execute a given shift the same for Granny as it will for anyone else.
Where can I find more information on:
"Adaptive Transmission control"?
"Adaptive Shift scheduling'?
"Adaptive Shift Quality control"?
#2550 of 3348 Re: ATC? by ANT14 [lateralg]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
May 28, 2005 (4:43 pm)
Interesting, the PR folks at Ford seem to agree with ANT:
"The Adaptive Transmission Control system recognizes individual styles of driving (e.g., aggressive vs. Relaxed) and adapts transmission shift parameters accordingly."
May 28, 2005 (5:46 pm)
The link is there and it explains it in better detail how it works, so I'm not sure what more your looking for.
As for the Explorer not having it, open the Owner's Manual, and pg.176, (if it's a 2005 manual, might differ a page or 2 on other years)... titled "Driving", first paragraph reads....
"This vehicle is equipped with adaptive Transmission Shift Strategy. Adaptive Transmission Shift Strategy offers the optimal transmission operation and shift quality...." etc.etc.
#2552 of 3348 Re: ATC? by ANT14 [lateralg] by steve_ HOST
May 28, 2005 (5:52 pm)
What's even more interesting is that the engineers who designed and calibrated the transmission are the source of my information.
Now who should we believe, the engineers who design & build the transmission, or the PR folks? Who would you bet on?
How about a survey among our readers?
A) PR folks
May 28, 2005 (5:54 pm)
"I'm not sure what more your looking for."
Just the facts from those who really know.
May 28, 2005 (6:01 pm)
Well considering it's listed on the manual, if the vehicle isn't equipped with it, wouldn't that be false advertising ?
I think if that would be the case, then a massive class action suit could stem from that. I can read the headlines now.... "Edmunds forum members discussing the Explorer transmission prompted an investigation into false claims from the manufacturer that the vehicle was equipped with technology, that wasn't really present"...
That and have a massive hysteria of forum members on here, emailing Ford over that concern. So in essense your saying Ford purposely printed information about the vehicle (and on the owner's manual, which is taken even more seriously) that includes technology that really isn't present ? And that the PR folks just through that tidbit into the manual for decoration ?
I mean, those are some pretty serious accusations.