Last post on Oct 31, 2011 at 2:14 PM
You are in the Ford Explorer
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Ford Explorer, Mercury Mountaineer, SUV
#2009 of 3348 Re: [nvbanker]
Oct 12, 2004 (2:41 pm)
Good for you!
However, you have to remember there was a redesign in 2001. The new body style, the new suspension setup, the new motor, and lastly the new transmission. So, the vehicles you have owned are vastly different from the new ones today. In addition to this, every year it seems Ford does "cost cutting" on all it's models. It is quite evident on the Focus, (non-spoke wheels-now wheel covers on SE, Dashboard,single circuit rear lights, etc.) and on the Explorer, they have done away with color-keyed door handles on the XLT (mine has them) and if you want them you have to purchase a "appearance package" to get them. I am sorry to say, that this will be my last Ford. It hasn't been that Bad of an SUV (2002 XLT w/4.0 SOHC, 2WD). But with with all these little problems that creep up in exactly two years, I find it a pain and unacceptable. If gas prices continue to rise-it will be off to the Lexus or Acura dealership for a Japanese engineered car. It easy to see why Ford is in trouble if you look real close!
#2010 of 3348 Re: [chuck1] Perhaps you should check.....
Oct 12, 2004 (2:58 pm)
my profile, chuck, and you'd see that I have an 04 Mountaineer, and had a 94 (still do)a 97, 98 and an 02, so I'm well aware of when they redesigned the car.
I have nothing against Japanese cars either. But they decontent their cars just about as quickly, only in some cases they never content them to begin with. Like, for example, my Honda that had no passenger side power door lock switch - could only be locked from the driver's door. What a pain that was. They made them that way for years, maybe they still do. If a black door handle is a deal breaker for you, and you don't want to get the upgraded trim package, then I guess you gotta do what you gotta do. Meanwhile, I applaud Ford for making the only Domestic, and the first truck based SUVs, foreign or domestic with independent rear suspensions and folding 3rd row seats in them - a true engineering feat and one I'll not be without I can tell ya that. I've lugged my last 50 lb seat in and out of a truck if I can possibly help it! Plus, I hate going back to the Home Depot to pick up my seat after I had to leave it there to take the picnic table home that my wife just HAD to have.....
#2011 of 3348 is the transmission shifting better?
Oct 12, 2004 (4:14 pm)
i have the rear gear noise, but it's only at about 50 mph, so it's not a big deal, although i wish it didn't make the noise in the first place.
#2012 of 3348 Re: [chuck1] Perhaps you should check..... [nvbanker]
Oct 12, 2004 (5:19 pm)
No, I didn't check your profile. It just seems to me that the quality control is very poor on the new Explorers. Here are KNOWN issues-Transmission soldnoid, rear end, rear power door motors, poor idling,(no fix for this like the rear end). All of the above problems are things that are KNOWN and I didn't make them up. If you have been lucky enough not to experience them, that's great, consider yourself lucky. Are they the best bargain out there for a SUV? Probably with the initial cost. However, my guess is that the Honda Pilot has the lower cost of ownership. (My guess... haven't looked it up!). Here is another issue-What do they decontent that you don't see? Like I said-single light circuit now in the tailight of the Focus. Do alot of people notice this? Probably not! But putting a single circuit back there compromises saftey when the bulb goes.
Oct 13, 2004 (2:25 pm)
Then go buy your Pilot, pal, and live happily ever after. This really isn't the bash & rant board. No question, the Pilot is a fine rig. I'm just saying, I've had a lot of Fords, and a lot of Explorers & Mountaineers, and have experienced none of the maladies you referenced whatsoever. I'm sure they put out a klinker once in a while, everybody does - they're machines. I've owned a Honda, and it was an awesome little car. I still own an Infiniti, also a marvelous machine, very expensive to repair when it does need to be fixed, but fortunately, that's not too often. I remain convinced though, and I have lots of experience to back up my claim. Everything Ford makes isn't perfect, the their trucks and SUVs though, are usually out there in front in design, and tops in performance and quality as well. YMMV.
#2016 of 3348 Re: [chuck1] Perhaps you should check..... [nvbanker] [chuck1]
Oct 13, 2004 (3:27 pm)
i don't recall seeing any other posts about unfixable poor idling, or rampant bad transmission solenoids. please correct me if i'm wrong. personally i think you have a less than forthright dealer. the shifting is better now, right?
like nv, i'm big explorer fan(big surprise). it's not perfect, but it's the best overall vehicle i've ever had, as far as overall satisfaction goes.
#2017 of 3348 Re: [chuck1] Perhaps you should check..... [nvbanker] [chuck1] [explorerx4]
Oct 14, 2004 (6:52 pm)
Yes, the transmission after the flush and fluid replacement with solenoid repair now has the transmission shifting like it's "new again" very smooth. The rough idling is a common occcurance with the 4.0 V6. It not a severe bad idle, maybe 50 to 100 rpm's as you sit at the light. It was explained to me that it's a design flaw in the motor, something to do with the oxygen sensors on each side of the motor. I have seen this mentioned on this board as well. Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing the Explorer, I am not evening saying mine is a bad vehicle. I am saying that these problems in the number they are appearing is unacceptable and a pain in the you know where to get corrected. If you dont believe about the rear-end whine, bad trans solenoid, etc. do a google search-you will find the problems. As a matter of fact, ALL of these problems have been brought up on this board if you search for them.
Oct 14, 2004 (7:27 pm)
The uneven idle can be dirty injectors too, and any engine can suffer from that if not properly maintained.