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#21 of 3320 Additional mark-up! by roger51 Mar 19, 2001 (6:39 pm)
I checked out the 2002 Explorers today, and noticed that each one of them had an additional price of $2995 over and above the MSRP. It was called "adjusted market value."   So Ford must think it has such a hot vehicle that people are willing to pay a mark-up in order to get it?   Or is that just in my area (Wash DC)? The inside does sort of look somewhat cheesy, with the plastic paneling. I didn't drive it, and won't even consider it if this mark-up continues. Someone is making a huge mistake, don't know if it is Ford or just the local dealers.
#22 of 3320 Dealer Mark UP over MSRP on Explorer by sirknightd Mar 19, 2001 (8:03 pm)
I became intrigued about the mark up in your area. Funny...the sticker was removed from the 2002 EB Explorer i saw in the show room.   All the 2002 Mountaineers had stickers on them with no mention of any mark up.   I d be surprised the Ford Motor Company would institute such a policy. It would seem to be dealer based and quite transitory in nature. I bet that quite soon the mark up you mentioned will be gone. When i priced the ACura mdx i was told of some finance acquisition fee of about four hundred dollars. When i grumbled i was told it would be dropped if ordered one option such as running boards.   I bet a little grumbling will have that fee dropped. When negotiating for a vechicle, always start up from the invoice price and remind them they get about a three per cent dealer holdback.   Some cars have high markups such as Mercedes, and they dont seem too impressed if u know the dealer invoice. Basically they will get what the market will bear. Typically with most vehicles about a thousand dollars over invoice is a fair deal.   EVery deal is different, new models will command a premium until the novelty wears off. If u can hold out, a few additional options may be offered later in the year, some of the quirks may also be ironed out by then.
#23 of 3320 Thanks for info Gasman1 by starrow68 Mar 19, 2001 (9:09 pm)
I'll keep looking and I didn't know they had stability in the Focus, guess it is going down market.
#24 of 3320 My first impression by pwash19 Mar 20, 2001 (11:43 am)
I'll continue to drive our 98 Blazer. I just got back from driving both the Mountaineer and XLT 4x4. I was at first excited to finally see them on the lot in the small little town we live in. We are always the last to see something new. However, the inspection and test drive left me walking away still looking for another car/suv. Yes they do have a better ride and has this and it has that. What they do not have is, is, my undivided attention in the areas of quality and the feel that it is built/designed correctly. I just don't feel a winner here. Some examples are: The AWD on the Mountaineer is always roaring from the front end. The AWD causes the transmission to constantly down shift in the Mountaineer. It felt like I was driving around in an underpowerd 4 cyl. I did not get that from the XLT that had the 4x4 system. The steering was very tight (almost alarming) on the Mountaineer as I gave it a test but it did not feel top heavy. The Mountaineer transmission was not right. It did not shift properly. I kept telling myself it was new, it only had 4 miles on it when I took it for a test drive. I have alot of test drives from most makes under my belt and this was far from the smoothest shift I have witnessed. That concerns me. So I took the XLT out just to see if the roar from the front end was gone and if the transmission was different. Both items were not evident while dring the XLT. I have to tell the interior on the XLT looked and was cheap and put together poorly. I pointed out the center console construction (or lack of) to the salesperson. For 34K the XLT is not currently on my short list. The Mountaineer was only 35K and had more options than the XLT (heated seats, dual climate control, 5000 additional buttons that did all sorts of things). You be the judge. If you have to buy the EB or Limited to get some of the options that are on the Mountaineer the Mountaineer might be the better buy for less $$$.
#25 of 3320 2002 Explorer Limited by gohuskies Mar 21, 2001 (6:34 pm)
I drove a 2002 limited with a 4.0 V-6 today, the V-8 models will not be available for another 2-3 months. Great, smooth drive, acceptable exterior, cheap interior. The V-8 should add needed acceleration and passing power. The dash had a small amount of gray woodgrain around the radio AC control area, much better looking wood grain interior moldings on all the other SUVs I have driven. The high series center console looks like it came out of of an Escort, not a limited. But, the console did contain Air and heat vents for rear passengers. It had the third seat option and we could not get the seat to recline into a flat cargo deck configuration, probably our fault. It had optional rear air which means no moonroof because of the overhead vents and controls. I had the front seat moved back because I am 6'3" and had a difficult time entering/exiting the rear seat through the back door with the front seat in a tall person's position. My legs were also cramped when sitting behind the driver's seat. Some options like adjustable pedals, Homelink garage door opener, telescoping wheel and stability control will be available later in the model year. The dealers are issuing credits for the first three features which are not available. I would rate the 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited a little better on clear coat external finish and much better on interior material and quality. The Grand Cherokee Limited is also several thousand dollars cheaper with the current $2,000 rebate. I'm waiting for the Eddie Bauer series to arrive before making a decision.
#26 of 3320 V8s by reddy2 Mar 22, 2001 (11:31 am)
I was just at a dealer who said they are expecting a delivery of Explores with V8s April 2nd. He also metioned the "to come later items" will also be available at that time. Has anyone else heard of this sort of this time scedule?
#27 of 3320 Leasing by scottnsc1 Mar 22, 2001 (1:45 pm)
Has anyone leased an '02 Explorer and if so can you share an estimated payment. GM is being ridiculous with their new SUV's, but I had heard that Ford was offering good rates on even the '02's.   I am not wild about the interior, but maybe it will grown on me. I would definately have to have the EB or Limited because the gray plastic bumpers scream "Cheap, Cheap, Cheap."
#28 of 3320 2002 Explorer EB/Limited by wildcat384 Mar 22, 2001 (2:51 pm)
I visited one of the Ford dealers here in KC today - they had 8 '02 Explorers on the lot. One of them was a white Limited with the silver around the bottom, and it was very nice with the gray leather inside.   I was comparing the sticker of it (around $36,500) to an EB, and there was no difference. Actually, I found an EB that was a couple 100 dollars more than the Limited. Does anyone know what the difference in options/features are, if any?   Thanks.
#29 of 3320 center of gravity by sirknightd Mar 22, 2001 (8:23 pm)
does anyone know if the new 2002 Explorer/MOuntaineer platform has a lower center of gravity than the previous one?
#30 of 3320 EB vs Limited by sirknightd Mar 22, 2001 (8:29 pm)
From what i can remmeber, the EB and Limited are the same except for different available grill color, and wheel style. If you can do without the 4Wd, and accept AWD, the Mountaineer when equipped similarly is less expensive than the limited or eb. I also like the mountaineer s styling better. I currently own a 96 XLT 4WD, which has been great. I plan on getting a 2002 Mountaineer when the V8, stablility conrol, rollover sensors, dual stage air bags become available later this year.

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