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First off, let me recall the credibility of 20/20, 60 Minutes, Dateline, and the like. Like when Dateline used incendiary devices to "prove" that a Chevy Truck will explode when t-boned. Why would anybody believe anything the media tells us anymore? Secondly - it seems almost like a witch hunt on Ford. I'm at a loss as to why, but Ford sure seems to be singled out more than anyone else. Lastly - I have driven SUVs since 94, and lots of Ford SUVs and I have never, NEVER, mind you, felt they were the least bit unstable in any situation. No doubt, they tip over, and as ANT says, so do sedans. I drive them carefully, and feel very secure in them. The most unstable vehicle I have ever owned, was an 86 Toyota Van, that was unstable over 60 MPH, especially in a wind. Well, I'm not frightened by this news....not at all. And if I buy another SUV, I'll still strongly consider a Ford. They've been very good to me.
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I am interested in a used 04 4x4 Explorer Limited 4.6L-265A V8. The price dealer give to me is $28,995. The SUV has about 6900 mile on it, and comes with the Ford Certified program (6 years 75000M P.T.). It has the following additional equipment: 17" chrome alum wheels reverse sensing system tire pressure monitoring system Fed excise tax quad seating power moonroof auxiliary climate control 3rd row seat package chromed roof rack Is this a good deal? Thanks for your input. Another dealer offered me a brand new Eiddy Bower 4x4 4.6L V8 for $31,500 with the following options in addition to the standard options: Safety canopy pwer moonroof auxiliary climate control roof rail cross bars reverse sensing system 3rd row seat package original MSRP was $39605 is this a good deal? and which one should I choose? Thanks!
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| Personally, for the minor differential, and the additional equipment, I'd get the new Eddie Bauer. The additional warranty on the CPO unit would be nice, but you can always add the Ford ESP at the end of your factory warranty if you have any concerns about the truck at that point. And I worry just a tad about why that truck is back in the lot at 6900 miles...... | |
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Replying to: nvbanker (Aug 28, 2004 7:11 pm) Because such a large percentage of their sales are SUVs. And of course we all have already agreed that the SUV is The Single Greatest Threat To The Planet. Therefore, it's perfectly acceptable to use fear-mongering tactics to try to stall SUV sales. The ends justify the means, of course. Trevor Hoffman should be reprimanded by his employer for that article. To start, the title is an outright lie. "NHTSA Rates Ford SUVs Poorly For Rollovers." The NHTSA rated the SPORT TRAC poorly (2/5 stars), not the whole Explorer line! The Sport Trac is based on the old Explorer design and is a very small percentage of Explorer sales. Yet, there are three different photos of the Sport Trac in that article, as if it represented the Explorer line. These two links show the actual NHTSA data sheets on 2004 models. Compare the data to the intent of the article. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/Cars/2004SUVs.html http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/NCAP/RollRatings.cfm Huh? The Explorer gets three stars in the rollover combined testing, equal to most of the other trcuk-frame RWD SUVs? But that's not what Our Man Trevor said? I'm confused! (I assume the inclusion of the Mazda RX-8 as the most rollover resistant vehicle is kind of like the streaker running across the stage of a Shakespearean play? Is that news? Do we all rush out to buy $35,000 sports cars now for safety?) Hoffman even gets the link wrong at the end of the article: it's "www.safercar.gov". Nice "journalism." Now check out the dubious quality of the NHTSA data. On the second link page listed above, the Mountaineer and Explorer 2 and 4WD ratings are botched. You have to click the links to interpret the correct ratings because they mislabeled them on the main page. (The 2WD version is 6 percentage points worse than the 4WD). They use different terminology on the chart to mean the same thing (tip-up/tip and no-tip-up/no-tip), which is pretty sloppy. Check the asterisk beside the "no-tip*" rating on passenger cars. They didn't actually do the test!!! It is assumed based on lab measurements! Granted, most passenger cars won't tip under their test, but wouldn't it be more "scientific" to leave it N/A rather than post results of a test never done? Now let's consider what they omit. For whatever reasons, I don't know, budget constraints or lack of manufacturer cooperation, the NHTSA doesn't test all vehicles. Only one Nissan SUV was tested (the car-based Murano), and one Toyota. BTW, check out the ratings for the Tacoma in the pickups section. Hmmm...that wasn't mentioned in the article? No other Ford SUVs beside the Explorer and Sport Trac are tested. Check out the minivans section...FOUR? My point is, how can any analytical piece of journalism make qualifying claims of "best" or "worst" based on data that is so very incomplete? Not very well. |
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the cars most resistant to roll overs are the Mazda Miata and RX-8....obviously not practicle for all. Mark |
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Replying to: atlantis2000 (Aug 28, 2004 11:55 pm) |
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Replying to: atlantis2000 (Aug 28, 2004 11:55 pm) |
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