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Ford Explorer, Mercury Mountaineer, SUV
Nov 28, 2002 (12:03 pm)
Although Sunflower Lincoln Mercury is a terrible dealer they had a $9600 off MSRP on every 2002 Mountaineer in stock. I also traded in a Villager and got an additional $1000 off rebate ( the dealer didn't tell me about that one I had to find out myself)for a total of $10,600 off a $37,000 v8 awd and Luxury and Conv -6cd and sub-etc. I wish I had the 17" wheels but i'm sure the replacement tires are pricy. If you have good credit you can get 4.99% at peoplefirst.com for 60 months. They were great. Just fill out the e-mail infor and they send you a check Fed Ex the next morning. Does anyone know how the roof rack works? Can one of the side bars be replaced with any major hassles??
Nov 28, 2002 (7:16 pm)
Thanks for sharing. You trade cars about as fast as I do - or have in the past anyway. I'm 49 though, so you may actually have me beat. I'm hoping your long term (that would be about 6 months for you....lol) experience with your Explorer is good. Mine have been very good. I see you're a bit impatient, and I also see you regret letting go of some of your cars, as do I.
Try to remember they're machines..and it's a miracle they even work at all. That helps me when little things happen... Good luck.
Nov 28, 2002 (7:35 pm)
yep, I hope and want to keep the explorer for a while myself (more than 6 months?? hehehhehee, hey might go 5 years, who knows?!).
#1159 of 3348 Overhead Monitor Installation
Nov 29, 2002 (10:27 am)
Has anyone out there attempted to install an overhead moniter in the headliner of their 2002 Explorer with rear heat controls? The headliner is such an odd shape, I'm afaid to cut into it. If this topic has already been covered, my apologies...
#1160 of 3348 thanks for the data
Nov 29, 2002 (8:24 pm)
I actually am leaning toward moving up to the expedition. Here the difference is only about 1400 between the expedition and explorer. And I could use the extra room. Thanks again at least I have an Idea of what to shoot for .
#1161 of 3348 clpurnell
Nov 30, 2002 (10:05 pm)
Bought a 2003 EB 4x4 V8 w/ tow, moonroof, and off-road 2 weeks ago for invoice (I think about $34,100. MSRP is about $37,700 or so). If I hadn't done a dealer trade I could have gotten any Explorer on the lot for 600 under invoice. Actually I was going to buy an XLT V8 4x4 w/ many options for 600 under invoice before I found this EB at another dealer I liked better for less money.
I too thought about an Expedition, but did not need the room and thought it would probably be slower and use more fuel.
#1162 of 3348 Re: new Expedition
Dec 01, 2002 (4:29 pm)
I plan to keep my 2002, V8, 4WD, Explorer XLT for a few years, but that hasn't stopped me from test driving the new Expedition. In my opinion, Ford really missed the boat (no pun intended) by not offering their new Expy (and pickups) with a new Ford V8 engine that's more powerful and more sophisticated than the 5.4L Triton engine, which has grown very long-in-the-tooth. (It's my understanding that Ford has, thus far, chosen not to offer a larger gasoline V8 engine than the 5.4L Triton, due to their purported commitment to environmental and fuel economy issues). At any rate, I find this lack of engine power to be an ongoing, major turn-off with the Expedition, as well as being potentially dangerous, since it relegates this otherwise nice-looking truck to being an overpriced yet underpowered dog sled.
In addition, I found the interior of even the EB version of the new Expy to be quite plain, and hardly luxurious. (And what's with those silly looking, brushed-metal collars around the front cabin's air vents? Did someone from the new Thunderbird's design team fill-in one day for someone else on the Expedition's design team? It almost looks as though these stupid looking metal collars were an afterthought attempt to jazz-up the Expy's otherwise uninspired and bland interior).
Similarly, I found the new EB Expy's leather captains seats and rear seats to be woefully uncomfortable from the first time I sat in them, and I could not find the sweet spot for the driver's seat no matter how much I diddled with the adjustments, because THERE IS NO SWEET SPOT!! In particular, I found that the seat cushion of the driver's chair did not adequately and comfortably support my lower thighs; in fact, even with the driver's seat tilted fully downward, it still felt like my lower thighs were being impinged upon (and hung over) by a padded "shelf edge", rather like the edge of an uncomfortable lawn chair. Furthermore, I found these leather seats to be too firm, as in "hard", and the back seats were simply terrible. Why is it that GM seems to be the only manufacturer that knows how to design and make seats for the typical American rump (as well as offering engines with more than enough power for such massive vehicles?) If I'm going to spend $40,000.00+ for a mid-size or full-size SUV, it must at least offer comfy seats and a luxurious, well-appointed cabin interior, as well as plenty of power and muscle. Unfortunately, with the new Expy, Ford has once again missed the boat, in my opinion. What a shame.
#1163 of 3348 Sheesh, Heintz.........don't hold back!
Dec 01, 2002 (5:06 pm)
I have to take issue with some of what you said, though I agree with the dash comments. What WERE they thinking?
The Triton engine is long in the tooth, huh? This is the same coil-on-plug, overhead cam engine I have in my Navigator? The one that can pull a load up Baker grade in 124 degree heat with the a/c on in 3rd gear, at 70mph, and not even bump the heat guage? Personally, I've never needed more grunt than my triton delivers. I may be mistaken, but I believe the GM modular engines are still pushrod design (talk about long in the tooth!)and they may finally have coil on plug, but Ford brought that out in 98, and GM just got on board, as they do with everything.
Now on the seats, this is a butt subjective topic, but the biggest knock I have had on Chevy's forever is the hole you sit in, so that sweet spot you like is exactly what I can't tolerate. It's what you get used to I guess.
And finally, overpriced, underpowered dog sled? Look if you hate the Expedition, get off the board and go over the Chevy board belong, and enjoy their complaints about piston slap in their new "short in the tooth" pushrod old fashioned engines.
#1164 of 3348 to navigator3740 & heintz1
Dec 01, 2002 (5:33 pm)
May I suggest that there is nothing wrong with the concept of pushrod OHV technology? It may be "old" in the sense of long standing, but not in the sense of out of date. I'd far rather have a heavily torque laden pushrod engine than an over head cam engine run by a rubber band. Chain is something else. I am glad to see the trend among the major manufacturers to go to chain drive for cams. Yet it is hard to fault a "bullet proof" heavy duty engine running pushrods!
Brushed metallic eyesores? You guys are getting pretty tough to please. (:o]