Last post on Aug 19, 2008 at 8:02 PM
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Honda Civic CRX, Honda Civic, Honda Civic del Sol, Concept Cars, Hybrid Cars, Coupe, Hatchback, Sedan
#178 of 187 Re: All the info you need on 09 Honda models [backy]
Aug 05, 2008 (7:35 pm)
Honda puts the HIDs on some Civics in other markets, as does Subaru on some of their Imprezas and Mazda offers them on the 3 and I would consider them a safety feature.
#179 of 187 Re: All the info you need on 09 Honda models [cz75]
Aug 05, 2008 (7:44 pm)
I consider HIDs a nuisance, and ridiculous on replacement cost, but I respect your opinion.
#180 of 187 Re: 09 Civic changes [backy]
Aug 06, 2008 (8:42 pm)
It's now official: the 2009 Civic will get VSA only on the EX-L and Hybrid (and of course it's still on the Si). Not on the LX.
Good news at least the higher trim gets it this year.
I think in 2 years all the Civics will have VSA standard.
#181 of 187 Re: 09 Civic changes [tiff_c]
Aug 06, 2008 (8:44 pm)
If the next-gen Civic comes out in 2 years, then I agree. Otherwise we might be looking at 2011 (2012 MY), which is the federally-mandated deadline for all new cars in the U.S. to have ESC.
Aug 08, 2008 (7:02 pm)
Honda is not alone in thinking that only "rich" people want safety (generalizing of course, and rich means people looking at higher models not people with more money)
Another common problem is that the "rich" are assumed to be short (sunroofs take up a lot of headroom and the darn things are standard on almost all higher end Hondas - only reason I did not buy an ex-l).
#183 of 187 Re: - [dudleyr]
Aug 08, 2008 (7:30 pm)
No, they are not alone but they have less company all the time. Consider that ESC will be standard for MY 2009 on:
Elantra SE and Touring (list prices starting around $17k)
Impreza 2.5i (list price starting around $17k)
Rabbit and Jetta (list price starting around $16k)
Sonata (list price after general rebate starting around $17k)
Sportage and Tucson (list prices after general rebate starting under $15k)
And ESC is widely available on inexpensive cars like the Corolla and SX4. I am probably forgetting some.
What is all the more galling is how Honda likes to tout safety. Sure, have all the safety gear you want... as long as you have over $20k to spend on your Civic.