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185 messages, Last post on Aug 19, 2008 at 7:02 PM
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Has anyone heard if a 2-door Civic Hybrid is in the works?
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Replying to: aliceb (Apr 05, 2007 5:57 pm) |
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Replying to: pkomma (Dec 30, 2003 7:12 am) why hasn't honda brought this car back? I have a friend who thinks there is some conspiracy by big oil as to the reason Honda killed the high milege CRX. any thoughts? |
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It wasn't OPEC. Congress killed the CRX, and every other lightweight, fuel efficient car, by legislating airbags, ABS, side impact beams, and every other safety device they could think of. This coincided with an explosion in consumer buying power during the 1990s, which created a demand for more luxury features (meaning more weight), even on traditional economy cars. Honda Civics and Ford Escorts suddenly offered power windows, power seats, cruise control, etc. Now cars weigh 50% more than they used to, and get worse fuel economy as a result. But on the bright side, they are safer, and more comfortable to drive. .
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Replying to: 1stpik (Jun 03, 2008 2:11 pm) The owner claims to get 60 mpg! You're telling me that this 1.3 litre engine couldn't get say 40 mpg with today's safety standards? There have been trade offs with using Aluminum in the frame, so I'm not sure I buy your argument that it's merely safety standards killing us in fuel effeciency. I mean, how much does an airbag weigh? or a side beam in the door? It all doesn't add up to me. An electric window doesn't weigh much more than one you have to manually crank. It doesn't take carbon fibre to reduce the weight of a vehicle that was built in the 80's.
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Jul 14, 2008 9:04 am) 37/47 is certainly good, but as you said, that was from a 1.3 litre engine propelling a 1700 lb. car. Today's Honda Civic has a 1.8 litre engine propelling a 2600 lb. car. It gets 26/34 mpg, which is not bad for 50% more engine displacement and 50% more weight. So you're correct, it's not just safety equipment weight, it's also bigger engines contributing to lower fuel economy.
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Replying to: 1stpik (Jul 14, 2008 8:15 pm) and I also wonder how today's civic would perform with a 1.3 ltre engine? 17 years have gone by and all I've seen is a race for greater horsepower. - yes cars are safer and more plush Honda and Toyota have always offered a great 4 cyl option with the option of upgrading to the ample if not excessive 6 cyl because everyone wanted to go 0-60 in under 10 seconds. Now I wonder if they might offer the lower powered higher fuel economy model?
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60 mpg was doable. The EPA took 22% off of their hwy numbers back then. To get the measured hwy mileage multiply 47 x 1.28 and Guess what - 60 mpg.
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Replying to: dudleyr (Jul 15, 2008 10:53 am) actually the EPA estimates were 41 city and 50 hwy http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/5263.shtml So, what's your guess as to why Honda doesn''t replicate this car with an airbag, abs and side impact beams? It would be alot more appealing to me over the Smart car.
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Jul 15, 2008 8:27 am) I can answer that. It performs a little slow, but okay. I have a Civic Hybrid, which uses a 1.3 litre gasoline engine along with a 20 hp electric motor. The engine shuts off automatically when the car stops, and the hybrid battery keeps the electric system going while the engine is off. On a hot summer day, waiting at a railroad crossing for a train to pass, the A/C can run down that battery in about 4 minutes. When that happens, the electric motor assist ceases, and the car is powered only by the 1.3 litre engine until the battery recharges itself. It runs fine in that condition, but it's a bit slow -- kind of like a compact car from the early 80s. |
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