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Re: [varmint] by turboshadow
Mar 04, 2005 (4:27 pm)
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Replying to: varmint (Mar 04, 2005 3:09 pm)

Well, how many hatches do they offer besides the overpriced Si? And before everybody gets all upset, I had an 89 Si that I loved, but the current Si is an overpriced, underwhelming vehicle.
 
If Honda offered a decently priced 5-door Civic, I would be first in line to get one. Right now, Honda offers nothing I'm interested in. I've felt this way (sadly) since 1998, when I traded in my beloved Si. I owned Civics from 86-98, and if they offered something I liked, I'd get it.
 
But they don't.
 
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by varmint
Mar 04, 2005 (7:15 pm)
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Okay. How many 89 Sis did they sell? How many Civic Wagons did they sell?
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by dudleyr
Mar 04, 2005 (10:30 pm)
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The thing is a civic wagon would offer equel fuel mileage and ride handling etc. to the sedan with almost the space of the element (more passenger less cargo).
 
The element on the other hand uses 50% more fuel, has worse handling ride etc. Is it worth the trade? Just today they were talking about gas near $3.oo per gallon in the not too distant future.
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Re: [varmint] by alpha01
Mar 04, 2005 (10:58 pm)
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Replying to: varmint (Mar 04, 2005 7:15 pm)

Toyota doesnt seem to have much trouble selling Matrices. That vehicle is more of the ilk of the Civic Wagon, dont you think?
 
~alpha
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Re: [varmint] by turboshadow
Mar 07, 2005 (5:04 am)
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Replying to: varmint (Mar 04, 2005 7:15 pm)

Okay. How many 89 Sis did they sell? How many Civic Wagons did they sell?
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Hmmm...I don't know. Must have been a bunch of them. I knew plenty of people back then who had Civic Sis, Civic Wagons, (even knew of a couple of AWDs, which were kinda silly in south Georgia, IMO), and a tons of CRX Sis, which was another great small hatch.
 
The late eighties was sorta the heyday of the hatch, though. (sniff)
 
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Re: [varmint] by blueiedgod
Mar 07, 2005 (5:54 am)
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Replying to: varmint (Mar 04, 2005 3:09 pm)

Honda sells 3-5K Elements each month. How many Civic hatches do they sell?
 
First year, 2002, Honda imported 15,000 Si's, they did not sell well. 2003, 2004, 2005 were all close 7,500-8,000/year.
 
By the way, Si i snot overpriced if you haggle at the right time. I got my 2002 Si in January of 2003 with 8 miles on the odo for $14,500 and 1.9% APR. I actually came in to test drive the Element, but the fact that 5 spd was not available and the one I drove felt top heavy drove me away from it. The sales man suggested I drive the Si. I did and fell in love. I was actually cross shopping Matrix/Vibe and Element, and ended up with Civic Si, Matrix Coupe as I call it. If you put Si and Matrix side by side, they are very similar except the 2 doors missing from the Civic. But, the price was right on the Civic.
 
Now that Honda finally has the 5 spd Element with painted panels from factory, I have been looking at it again. It is still top heavy, but I guess I can slow down a bit, maybe. Maybe not, and just get a TSX.
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Re: [blueiedgod] by turboshadow
Mar 07, 2005 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Mar 07, 2005 5:54 am)

By the way, Si i snot overpriced if you haggle at the right time. I got my 2002 Si in January of 2003 with 8 miles on the odo for $14,500 and 1.9% APR.
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I agree completely with that statement.
 
However...
 
When it first came out, MSRP was around 20K and dealers were putting 3K ADM on them. I think this PO'd a number of buyers (I was in the market) who decided they would NEVER buy one after that. I think that hurt Si sales more than anything.
 
I think the ADM practice has created a backlash against a number of new cars.
 
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Re: [turboshadow] by blueiedgod
Mar 08, 2005 (5:23 am)
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Replying to: turboshadow (Mar 07, 2005 8:03 am)

Unfortunatley, if someone is "not smart enough" to realize that ADM will go away if they stay away from buying the car deserve all they get for falling for that. I though that even at MSRP the Si was on the high edge of pricing. Who in their right mind would pay $20K for a Civic. This is what I say to people who scream about the Type R not being available here. Are they willing to pay $25K for a Civic with no air conditioner, no radio, and no sunroof?
 
If I were to buy a $25K car, I would look into TSX or IS300.
 
Honda dealers are not as bad as some Ford, and GM dealers.
Ford Thunderbird had a $10K ADM (in one case there was a $20K ADM), and now it is being discontinued for not selling.
Chevy SSR had a $6000 ADM.
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Re: [blueiedgod] by turboshadow
Mar 08, 2005 (6:08 am)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Mar 08, 2005 5:23 am)

Honda dealers are not as bad as some Ford, and GM dealers.
Ford Thunderbird had a $10K ADM (in one case there was a $20K ADM), and now it is being discontinued for not selling.
Chevy SSR had a $6000 ADM.
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Those were the two in particular that I was thinking about. I believe there is a backlash happening in such practices.
 
You're right about the Type R Civic as well. If you really, truly wanted one, its easy to build your own. In retrospect, I should have done something similar when the engine started going in my old Si. Hindsight....
 
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2006 Civic by carzzz
Apr 11, 2005 (2:27 pm)
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http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=8444
 
Looks great, eh?

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