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Honda Civic CRX, Honda Civic, Honda Civic del Sol, Coupe, Hatchback, Sedan
#10046 of 10740 Re: Any truth to this? [newcar45]
May 22, 2011 (11:41 pm)
They treated me just like that at Moss Honda in Moreno Valley, saying you are lucky to be paying MSRP on a 2012 Civic LX auto, and your trade is worth only a few hundred bucks, KBB is only a guide he says. DHC Honda in Temecula was more reasonable close to KBB for the trade a couple Hundred of MSRP. Honda sales think it is the energy crisis of 1973 and that the Civic is the only game in town. That really soured me on Hondas and we own a Pilot EXL 4WD. Use to own a 1992 VW GTI 15 years ago and avoided VW's during the unreliable years which consumer reports says lasted up to 2006? I noticed that the newer VW's have much simpler drivetrains now especially the I-5 2.5L. Test drove a 2011 Golf 4 door and decided this would be our second car. I got it at $100 over invoice and 2.9% for 60 months, plus close to KBB for the trade. So we got a shark blue metallic Golf 4 door last week. The Honda Pilot is our last Honda, thanks to their salesmen.
#10047 of 10740 Re: Any truth to this? [sportflyer1]
May 23, 2011 (9:53 am)
Hopefully the salesperson wasn't rude to you but don't be down on him if he was simply explaining the current supply situation. I can assure you, the salespeople aren't happy either since they have little inventory.
And, KBB isn't gospel. It's true that it is a "guide". Some cars are worth less and some will bring more. You won't get more than a dealer can buy the same car for at a local auction.
There is also a possibility that your trade was a car they didn't want for a number of reasons.
Again, no excuse for a salesperson to be rude and no doubt the current market situations have been very frustrating for both sides!
Good luck with your VW. Hopefully they have a grip on their quality problems. I guess time will tell.
May 23, 2011 (11:35 am)
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#10049 of 10740 Re: press request [kirstie_h]
May 23, 2011 (5:57 pm)
The salesman at DHC Honda was actually quite nice and professional. The other one at the other dealer was the stereotype salesman. The new car playing field has been leveled with all these complex requirements NHTSA and the EPA has imposed on manufacturers. Quality between Japanese, U.S. and some European cars have narrowed with BMW and MBZ at the bottom. Even the civic is not immune with engine block problems etc. Now they have lockup torque converters on the lower gears, the honda pilot is known for weak auto trans, so I treat ours like a station wagon , not an SUV. Everybody I know are upset at Hondas marketing , and ended buying Ford , GM or other brands, and it will continue this way ,not a great way for market share.
#10050 of 10740 Re: press request [sportflyer1]
May 23, 2011 (6:04 pm)
I have no idea how you figure the NHTSA and the EPA have anything to do with leveling a playing field but the competition certainly is intense and getting worse!
The engine block problems on Civics were VERY limited and Pilots are not known for weak transmissions. You are probably thinking of earlier Odysseys that had far greater transmission troubles than Honda had ever seen in the past. I wouldn't worry about your Pilot. Just maintain it!
"Everybody I know are upset at Hondas marketing"
Really? Everybody you know?
Why is that, seriously, I'm curious!
#10051 of 10740 Re: press request [isellhondas]
May 23, 2011 (7:34 pm)
My Pilot has been reliable and was built after 3-2004. So it did not participate in the recall involving the install of bypass lines to cool the tranny to prevent overheated and chipping gears. I don't tow anything with it to play it safe, the problem other owners had is that they think it is like Ford or GM SUV and tried to tow something heavy. Honda redesigned their Global truck platform trans. I think after 2006? to address the weak transmissions. I am happy with my Mercedes, Ford truck and new VW Golf.
And happy too, of the Honda Pilot, competition just made me refuse to be a lay down. I actually happily paid $1,000 more on the VW Golf compared to civic. Also I noticed that I got upset at Hondas marketing just like other people I know, I didn't expect it to happen to me too, to answer your curiosity.
#10052 of 10740 Re: press request [sportflyer1]
May 23, 2011 (10:18 pm)
But...why? What did Honda's marketing department do to anger you?
I don't understand.
#10053 of 10740 Re: Any truth to this? [newcar45]
May 30, 2011 (6:56 pm)
I'm up here in No.Cal and there is one Dealer in El Cerrito that will let a new 2012 Civic LX A/T (no extra warranties, no accessories, or packages) for $20,000 OTD. That is if he "can find" one w/out accessories...I'd say if there are accessories, take them off and sell it to me, LOL...
Most other dealer in the SF Bay Area will do MSRP $19405 plus tax and fees, others will go as low as $19,000 plus tax and fees.
We shall see if the dealer is for real soon enough
#10054 of 10740 2012 Civic EX-L
May 31, 2011 (4:37 am)
What is the out of door pricing for a 2012 Civic EX-L?
I tried to look through the forum here....but didn't see any posts.
#10055 of 10740 Re: Any truth to this? [chivasgeo]
May 31, 2011 (7:43 am)
Where and why does a car manufacturer get off calling a model 2012 seven months away from the end of 2011?