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Honda Civic CRX, Honda Civic, Honda Civic del Sol, Coupe, Hatchback, Sedan
Aug 03, 2003 (4:38 am)
With vehicles that we own, we try to keep them till they reach at least 100,000 miles. I had a 1977 Ford Granada that we traded at 182,000 miles, and a 1969 Pontiac that we sold at 110,000 miles. (There were also other vehicles along the way). Since 1997, we have been leasing vehicles, (1997 Honda Accord, 2000 Honda Accord, 2000 Honda Civic), so as such, they were returned at 36,000 miles. Our new Accord is a "purchase", so we will be running up the mileage. We took delivery on Feb 10, 2003, and we already have 12,000 miles on the clock. In a period of one year, we will have at least 25,000 + miles on this vehicle. This is the reason why we purchased the 7 year 100,000 miles warranty. (since we will be traveling all over the country).---- Most likely, we will run this vehicle up to at least 150,000 miles, and then trade it back to the dealer. We plan on purchasing our leased 2000 Civic when the lease is over, (provided that the lease company cooperates in terms of the price). My basic reason for high quality maintenance is that I enjoy operating a vehicle that runs properly. I also believe in taking "vitamins". I guess you could say that Marvel Oil is the "Viatmin Package" for the internal combustion engine! ----Well now you know ---"the rest of the story" -----Just sharing my opinion and some basic information as "I know it". You have a nice day. ----Greg
#170 of 899 gregoryc1 168
Aug 04, 2003 (6:03 am)
I believe in high quality maintenance too. I'm just lucky that I can do almost anything on a car myself and I enjoy doing the work. I like them to run like new and mine all do, because of good preventative maintenance practices. I'm probably going to buy a 2004 Civic LX early next year. I don't like the looks of the 2003 and the 2004 has much better lines. I have 30,000 miles on my 2001 LX Accord. It's a great car, but I did expect better gas mileage out of it. I average about 27.5 MPG on the highway at about 79 miles per hour. I have an automatic and a 4 cylinder. I have only gotten 30 MPG once and I track every tank of gas. I get 21.5 to 23 in the city. My only other complaint is the rear defroster is weak. It works slowly and it is under powered. Good thing I live in Florida because I would have a real problem in a northern climate. Other than that it is a great car. I plan on keeping it about 14 or 15 years. After that I'll be ready for something new. That is why I'm going to let My 91 Nissan Sentra go, I've had it since 90. It still looks and runs great, but it has no airbags and the back seat is tight. My kids are bigger now and the new Civic is a much nicer car. I'm going to retire from the Air Force in 05, so I want to have a relatively new car that's paid off. I should be able to get one for $16,000 out the door and that's about all I want to spend. I paid $19,000 for my Accord. Tax here is 6.5%, so that's why the figures are so high. I've owned a 70 Camaro(pig, but pretty),66 VW Bug (solid), 70 Ford Maverick (great car), 81 Toyota Corona (good car), 91 Mercury Sable(good car)and my current cars which have been great cars. To tell you the truth Greg, when I read your first post and it ended with a hee, hee, I thought you were a teenager and I wanted to save you some money that you were spending on premium gas and additives. I see people all the time putting premium gas in there cars and adding the latest additive to make their cars run better or last longer. They simply are rarely needed and most of the time they are just a waste of money. You are using good additives, but you could save yourself a lot of money by using the recommended fuel for you car, which is regular. Your car as been set up to optimize performance on regular gas, not premium. I have read study after study on this and you aren't doing your car any favors by running premium gas, unless you of course you own Exon stock. Your car will run on it of course, but it was designed to take full advantage the lower grade fuel. I'm just trying to save you some money. You are potentially spending over $1000 in addition gas cost for your vehicle over 150,000 miles of driving. It's your money and I'm definetly not trying to slam you. I enjoying trading posts with you. By the way I may become school teacher when I retire. I'm looking in to it. Happy motoring, Barry.
Aug 04, 2003 (6:55 am)
USA Today had an article (on Thursday I believe) about using premium fuel when the cars were designed to run on regular. Not needed... may leave extra deposits in the burning process which may mean that if you use premium in a car designed for regular, you may need to spent the extra money for the mouse milk additives to try to undo the deposites from the slower burning fuel.
I had heard a mechanic say that the premium fuels caused deposits and now that USA Today's article verified that, I'm sure that's what happens.
bd21: 27.5 75+!!! My LeSabre does better than that mileage and it's a 3800 v6... it delivered 31.5 through the PA mountains coming back from Philly at 75. Going around Phila to Washington's Crossing it gave 35.5 on the tollroad. Have you had the car checked for something wrong?
#172 of 899 imidazol97 on 171
Aug 04, 2003 (4:30 pm)
I've had the car thoroughly gone over by two different dealers. They couldn't find anything wrong. My 91 Mercury with a six cylinder got 30 MPG consistently on the highway. You bet I'm disappointed, I expected to always get at least 30 MPG on the highway and sometimes around 33-35 MPG. My father in-law's Camry gets that and I thought I should have too. Accords are not known for outstanding mileage, but they are great cars. Back up a few posts and you will see the discussion that I've been having with Greg about additives and premium gas. You hit the gas issue right on the head, but it is hard to convince people. They think they are taking car of their car by giving it the (good) stuff.
Aug 04, 2003 (6:12 pm)
Barry, ----lots of luck with your retirement from the Airforce in 05. I spent 33 years teaching Industrial Arts at the elementary and high school level. I also earned two MA degrees in the process. Prior to entering the teaching profession I graduated from Lincoln Technical Institute with a diploma in "Automotive Mechanics",(1962). I worked as a mechanic for a Buick agency. After my active duty in the Army, I returned to college to earn my BA in Industrial Arts Education. Over the years I taught Automotive Technology, Woodworking, Architectural Drawing & Model Construction and Computer Aided Drafting , (AutoCAD 2000). I enjoyed the profession and the young people, but if you want to do the job as a "professional", it will burn you out! -----With regards to using Premium Fuel in my vehicles, I think you are missing the point of my posting. The Honda manual states that you can use 86 octane "or higher". It does not state that you cannot use premium fuel in a Honda engine. When I come out of a toll gate under "hard acceleration", I find that using a mixture of "premium fuel" and MM oil as an upper cylinder lubricant gives me "maximum performance", without the possibility of a spark knock. I don't get the same feeling with "regular fuel". I also use premium fuel and MM oil in my 7.4 MerCruiser Marine engine. The engine runs VERY SMOOTH, and it has GREAT ACCELERATION!--- Like they say in the movies: ----"I love the smell of MM oil in the morning. ----It smells like "VICTORY"! -----Have a great day. Give MM oil a try, (4 ounces to each ten gallons of fuel). Hell, ---you might like it!------Greg
#174 of 899 gregoryc on 173
Aug 04, 2003 (7:58 pm)
I knew you had more automotive background than you were mentioning. Why did it take a crowbar to get it out of you? I didn't miss your point, I was waiting for your logic to go along with it. O.K. you sold me on your reasoning. MM is great stuff and if you can really feel the difference in your car with your driving style using premium gas, than by all means go for it. I just see so many people using premium because they think it is a better gas for their engine. Generally the average driver is better off with regular gas, if that is what the maker suggests. Again, I'm tight with a buck, so I just use the minimum fuel required. Since most car computers are set to primarily optimize their performance based on regular fuel I think your best bet is to use the grade the car is tuned for, however, you can always use a higher grade of fuel. My cars run fine on regular, so I'm happy. If it didn't I would investigate going down your path. I really enjoy these exchanges Greg. Barry
Aug 05, 2003 (3:58 am)
Barry, --If you have any questions about going into the "teaching profession" after retirement from the Airforce, you can write to me at: ---ggcordanoyahoo.com -----Lots of luck. I enjoyed my military experience. (9 yrs. in the USAR). Have a nice day. -----Greg
#176 of 899 changing coolant/antifreeze
Sep 02, 2003 (10:42 am)
I'm planning on changing the engine coolant in my 99 civic soon. In the manual it says to drain the coolant from the drain under the radiator. But in the service manual (I bought one for about $65 a while back), it says to also drain from a bolt on the left side of the engine oil filter. I was wondering if there's any difference if I just drain from the radiator and not the engine itself. Thanks.
Sep 05, 2003 (5:12 am)
I bought a new 03 Civic Sedan. The owners manual says I need oil changes every 5,000 miles, but the car dealer I bought it from said every 3,000. What gives? Let me know please!! I'm already at 3400 and the oil seems fine.
#178 of 899 think about their intentions
Sep 05, 2003 (6:48 am)
Car manufacturer wants to maximize the time so less user hassles, dealer wants to shorten the time to maximize profits. I'd go about every 5k, since I lean more towards normal driving, (more highway than city stop and go driving)
Although the first oil change should probably be done sooner to get rid of the new engine break-in debris.