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#7313 of 7874 Spring is here : Comparing the P5
Mar 13, 2005 (4:10 am)
Hi everyone. Spring is just around the corner and the call of the "test drive" is not far behind. Let's go out and compare our P5 against the latest crop of offerings and post our comments here and answer the question: What it would take to push you over the edge to move away from the great P5?
After testing the Mazda3 GT hatch automatic in January I would not be ready to abandon my 2002 P5 automatic. The model was seductive: stylish, well-appointed, well-priced, with interesting luxury features (as in the SP23). Compared to the P5, the engine was more powerful in a muted way; a fist in a velvet glove. The interior seems more confined; the trunk is not as spacious as one would expect in a hatchback. The quality of the plastic does not compare well with the P5; the leather seating looks more desirable (in general I avoid leather). The combination I'm looking for is a fuel-efficient 200hp (along the lines of Acura) well appointed hatchback with the reliability of a Protege.
Next up: Mazda6 sport hatchback GS I4, followed by Mazda6 6 cyl., Acura RSX and TSX, Honda Accord Hybrid, Corolla SRX.
Interested in opinions about Mazda's clutchless manual versus the traditional manual. Going for a manual appeals to me. I plan to take a few practice lessons before test driving some manuals.
Mar 15, 2005 (9:33 pm)
Due to a severe lapse of judgement, I traded my '02 P5 for an '04 Camry last July (See post #7116). I have been miserable ever since. In my experience, the Camry is an overrated piece of garbage. I would say I got a lemon, but reading the Camry board suggests otherwise. I should have known not to buy something with "toy" in the name.
I finally traded back for another '02 P5 today. My original one was red, which is still my favorite color, but I have been searching in vain for one for about five months. I got a black one, which is not a color I really like, but I can live with it. I'll take a black P5 over a red anything else any day.
One weird thing-my old one was out of warranty, but this "new" one is certified, so I believe I am in better shape than I was before?!?
So why didn't I get a 3? I like the looks of the P5 much better, and it was ~$8,000 to $10,000 cheaper. I (very) briefly considered a Kia Spectra5, but I figured why pay a new car price for a cheap imitation when I can have the real thing for much less.
#7315 of 7874 Re: Back in a P5 [pciskowski]
Mar 16, 2005 (5:46 am)
Good to have you back, Philip! Black P5s still look much cooler than any color Camry and are more racy looking than the M3.
p.s. how many miles on your second P5?
Mar 17, 2005 (9:36 am)
Phillip - I did a very similar thing... but instead of a Camry, I bought the new body style 4Runner. Argh. It was a fine vehicle... it just lacked soul (the biggest thing)... and also was not "zoomy"... and I tired quickly of the gas station fillup prices I owned it a total of 9 months. I looked at all cars under 20k... but it quickly came down to a choice between the 3 and the P5. I drove both several times... As much as I like the look of the 3 and some of the cool features... the P5 just had a different feel that I liked much better. The price differential worked in my favor too... The 3 was 5-6K more & since I liked the P5 more it was a rather easy decision. I've now had my second P5 for 12 months. (First one was a white base... 2nd one is white loaded!)
#7317 of 7874 Re: Back in a P5 [autonomous]
Mar 17, 2005 (4:34 pm)
My second one has 44K miles on it. My old one had 57K when I got rid of it.
For a black car the exterior really looks good. There are no chips in the paint, which I can hardly believe. My red one was all chipped up. It has one very small scratch on the rear passenger side.
The interior looks practically new. There are two small nicks in the steering wheel, and that is it. Everything else is mint.
The black color is really starting to grow on me. I think the metallic paint looks much different than a normal black car.
It has Toyo Proxes TPT tires in the original size on it. Does anyone have any exprerience with these? How do they compare to the OEM Dunlops?
#7318 of 7874 Re: Back in a P5 [pciskowski]
Mar 17, 2005 (6:04 pm)
We have the Proxes TPTs on our P5. Perform far better in adverse weather, a bit quieter. Very pleased, though they were quite expensive.
#7319 of 7874 Re: Back in a P5 [isseyvoo]
Mar 17, 2005 (7:42 pm)
That is good to hear. I thought the Dunlops were bad in rain.
Mar 18, 2005 (5:05 am)
You got yourself a great deal, Philip, not only on the P5 but also the tires. My independent tire dealer agrees with Isseyvoo's comment "Perform far better in adverse weather, a bit quieter ... quite expensive" and added "they are our best seller." The Toyo TPT warranty is great also, 60K miles (100K km)! The tire seller remarked that the Dunlop Sport 5000's don't seem to be available in Canada any longer, but I haven't verified this.
I'm planning to post my comparative list of P5 replacement tires once I collect a little bit more data. So far, it looks like a big hit to the wallet is coming
p.s. to keep your baby looking new you may want to get the correct touchup paint the next time you're driving by a Mazda dealer.
#7321 of 7874 Re: Tires: Toyo TPT [autonomous]
Mar 18, 2005 (4:33 pm)
Should I keep these at 32 pounds pressure, or are they different than the Dunlops?
I haven't tested it in the rain yet, but so far the tire seem great.
#7322 of 7874 Life after a P5
Mar 19, 2005 (10:17 am)
Well, we are not there yet even after 145,000kms in 2.5 years but we keep looking. I drove the 3 and thought it was nice but it just didn't have the soul the P5 does. Plus my g/f thinks the P5 looks better anyway. Out next choice will be the 6-Wgn. The main reason is more space plus she doesn't like driving a manual. Plus it looks almost like the P5 but bigger.
Other cars that we though about. Subie Outback Limited (we want a sunroof). But after finding out its $39,000 (Legacy Lmt is 37G) we lost interest.
Passat TDI - for its long distance fuel sipping engine + space.
If we could afford more, we would probably move up into the new Audi 2.0T Advant.
Not too many other wagon choices out there.