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Mazda Protege5, Wagon
Aug 13, 2003 (11:41 pm)
You can cross one over three concerns in your list: the reliability. It's well known that the Protege/Protege5 is as reliable as any Civic.
The two others points, you get them right: resale value and mileage. They are the only two major weaker aspects of the Protege/P5 when comparing to the Civic. I would say if you plan to keep the car ten+ years, then resale value is not that critical (both cars will be down there anyway.)
An accolade here: I used to follow magasins such as Consumers Report, etc... as guideline for car purchases. I'm no longer do that. Buying and owing one Civic is enough for me. IMHO, the best way is to come to Edmunds here and see how owners discuss about their cars. You will get a pretty good idea how good or bad is a specific model.
As for exciting longevity: After two years of ownership, I still love my P5 as the day one. I certainly can't say that with my 1997 Civic EX.
Last point: in the case you are not aware, the Protege/P5 will be replaced by the Mazda3 (from December). That having said. A new product is very exciting, but there is few risks if you decide to wait for the new model: do not expect the same reliability for a brand new model, especially during the first year. You can't possibly negotiate for a good rebate as the Protege/P5 right now. I expect the new model to perform better for mileage (new engine), ride comfort (Ford/Mazda plateform), larger interior (but not higher). The rest (handling, steering response, cornering capability, fun factor, build quality, reliability, and possibly the look), it's hard to beat the current Protege/P5.
Aug 14, 2003 (2:53 am)
If you plan on owning it for ten years resale value shouldn't be a big consideration. In the short term, it is.
I test drove a Civic and a P5 before I bought, and I went two blocks in the Civic and turned around. I disliked it that much. The new ones are not the same cars that built the reputation. And my car prior to the P5 was a Civic that I drove for eight years.
One way to look at it-the P5 will have only been in production for two years. Ten years from now they will be pretty rare. Perhaps they will be collectors items?
#6690 of 7874 Collector item?
Aug 14, 2003 (3:25 am)
I have impression the Protege5 is the car that begs to keep for long long time. Why I went over all the trouble to bring it in Europe with me? Why I wait so much time to handwash the car every week? All those are clearly symptom of a future collector item!
#6691 of 7874 Fuel Economy
Aug 14, 2003 (3:46 am)
23 mpg is about what I got on my 2003 P5 for the first 1000 miles or so. After that it slowly got better. I am now at 9500 miles. My last tank of gas which was about 50/50 city/hwy was 28 mpg. My last 100% hwy tank of gas got 30 mpg, which is what the EPA said to expect for the AT. It just takes a little while to get there.
If you drive a lot of hills, that can reduce economy as well.
Aug 14, 2003 (6:01 am)
In my latest issue of CR they listed the P5 as second only to the Matrix/Vibe in MPG for small wagons.
They also say reliability should be excellent.
As for your MPG, if you're driving with the A/C on your MPG is going to fall. Especially in stop-and-go traffic where the A/C puts a large load on your engine.
Aug 14, 2003 (6:11 am)
Also, if you have the roof rack on it could cause 1-2 mpg less.
Aug 14, 2003 (6:13 am)
As mentionned previously, reliability is not a concern when looking at the PRO. I have a 2001 ES (same interior as the P5 in black) with 63.000 kms on it and I'll tell you what went wrong with the car:
CD player replaced in the first week - Mazda had a bad batch that affected cars n July 01 in Canada from Panasonic.
3 LEDs from the rear spoiler burned out a few mths later and were replaced.
2 rear tail light brake lights went out in a matter of 2-3 weeks. This was a few mths ago.
As you can see, the car has not been a headache to own, but quite the opposite - the more we have it and the more I drive it I appreciate its solid built quality, rattle-free interior, great brakes and torquey engine. It still has the new car smell 2 yrs later and still makes me smile every time I take it for a spin.
As for the Civic, I had a 93 one and while it was fun to drive (and not too reliable), the 01+ generation is not what Hondas from the early 90s is made of.
#6695 of 7874 New discussion: Mazda Protege5 vs. Honda Civic
Aug 14, 2003 (6:16 am)
Hi Folks - Let's take the subject of the Protege5 vs. the Honda Civic to our new Mazda Protege5 vs. Honda Civic discussion. Feel free to copy/paste any of your recent questions/messages, on this subject, into that discussion. Thanks for your participation!
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#6696 of 7874 MPG / jadams6 answer
Aug 14, 2003 (6:24 am)
Thanks to all for your input on the MPG issue. I've only driven my P5 for about 800 miles, so I guess I do need to give more time for it to break in. I also have Yakima roof racks, though didn't think it would make such a difference. I'm purchasing a fairing this week to cut down on the wind noise, so that may improve things a bit.
Regarding your question jadams6, I was in the market for a new car for over 1 year, and simply couldn't make my mind up. I researched every resource available, test drove nearly a dozen cars, but just couldn't decide. Though I was sold on the reliability, gas mileage, and safety of the Civic, I agree, I didn't want to be driving the same boring car that everyone else does. I also desired to keep my car for 10 years, so resale value didn't matter. When it came down to it, I bought the Protege 5 because it's stylish and tons of fun to drive. Why not be happy with your purchase? I hope that helps.
Aug 14, 2003 (9:20 am)
I've had my Pro5 for just under 2 weeks, and just put gas into it for the first time this morning. I have automatic trans., roof rack (took crossrails off a few days ago, though), and have had the air on perhaps 25% of the time. Mostly city (well, suburb) driving, maybe 25% highway.
I figured up that I'd gotten 29.5 MPG - I'm happy!! Although I'll keep watching, since I'm aware there may be a transient 'dip' in mpg at some point in the first year.
On a side note, I didn't check out the Civic when shopping, but decided on the Mazda in large part because of the reliability. Reading the 'problems' boards on the models I was considering really helped me see trends. And resale value? My Protege is replacing a 1989 Mercury Tracer (also bought new). I plan to get my money's worth by keeping it a long time, not by reselling it a few years from now. I like it too much anyway!