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You are in the Mazda Protege
What is this discussion about?
Mazda Protege5, Wagon
Mar 14, 2002 (4:54 am)
The Escape is based on the Tribute platform, not the other way around. Just like the '91 and after Escorts were really reworked 323s and Proteges (usually the previous gen...i.e. '91 Escort based on the 323, not the then-new Protege). Of course, Ford would have the general public believe the Tribute is based on the Escape and the Protege is based on the Escort (read their history pages on the Escort on their web site...it's really nauseating how false it is after 1991).
If you check around, the Escape/Tribute is derived from the Mazda 626 platform (a variant of which -the Capella, a narrow version- is the basis for the current gen3 Proteges). The chassis was designed by Mazda engineers, but the tranny and engines (the 6cyl for sure, not too sure about the 4) were from Ford's parts bin (probably had too many lying around nobody else wanted). Also, Ford retuned the suspension on the Escape to handle more softly than the Tribute. However, they're all built here in the US. Don't know why the Escape/Tribute are so c*****y compared to the 626 since at least some 626s are also built in the US now.
Mar 14, 2002 (6:22 am)
That's all news to me but I've done some checking and I think you are at least partly-correct:
"In this case the underpinnings owe at least some tribute to the Mazda 626 sedan. Just how much is hard to say, because both Ford and Mazda have waffled on this issue. The answer is something like this: not as much as we were first led to believe but more than the two companies are now willing to admit."
I was under the impression is was based on the last-generation Mondeo platform but that may have been derived from the 626 platform.
Still, the problems they are having are very Ford-like.
Mar 14, 2002 (7:29 am)
The problems tend to be build and supplier related. When you nickel and dime your suppliers to death, you aren't going to get a superior product. Jamie Kitman has a nice piece about this in the March Automobile Mag.
Mar 14, 2002 (10:30 am)
The engine (Duratec) and tranny (CD4E) are pure Ford, and I believe it's built in a Ford plant.
Look at the MPV - though it shares similar Ford parts, it's built in a Mazda plant and not a clone of any Ford, and reliability is much better.
That says a lot to me.
#3128 of 7874 bigfish2178
Mar 14, 2002 (1:36 pm)
sorry to hear that the other p5 owners didn't wave back...you are not the only one...i have tried to make eye contact and wave at at least 4 different p5 here in s. cal and none of them waved back...what's worse is they saw me and looked away on purpose as if they didn't want to see someone driving the same car...
#3129 of 7874 wavers in wilmington, nc; and mpg to boot
Mar 14, 2002 (3:50 pm)
A p5 pulled up behind me in downtown wilmington on the riverfront and I gave a thumbs up visible through my rear window so the driver could see. He smiled and returned the thumb's up. Nice feeling... commaradery alive at least here in the Port City of NC. Also, just returned from a short 300 mile round trip on secondary roads. Driving 60mph on the country stretches and 35-40mph throught the dozen towns of varying sizes, I averaged 30.2 miles per gallon in my automatic... with a/c on along the way.
Mar 14, 2002 (7:28 pm)
I don't know about anyone else, but sit in a Tribute then sit in an MPV. There is a definite difference in quality of materials used, build quality, etc. The Tribute has Ford swtichgear everywhere. Even the power window buttons are the same ones found in other Ford cars. Sit in the MPV, and you see Mazda switchgear everywhere. Even the solidity of the doors is much better than the Tribute.
The MPV is built in Japan, except for the engine, which is shipped over to Japan then back to the US installed in the vans...
Mar 14, 2002 (7:30 pm)
Did you have any luck getting your steel wheels off? I'm looking forward to doing it on my own car.
#3132 of 7874 Mondeo platform
Mar 14, 2002 (8:18 pm)
I remember reading that the Tribute/Escape was based on the Mondeo/Contour platform...afterall, they spent a couple of billions on it, might as well use it. Which make sense considering they're built in the ClayCoMo plant, which used to do the Contour.
Mar 15, 2002 (5:01 am)
I think Escape/Tribute is based on the 626. Check C&D, Automobile etc. This is the first I've heard it's derived from the Contour/Mondeo. Revisionist history on the part of Ford? Most likely, just as their take on the 90s-era and later Escorts is a bunch of b**l. I guess we'll have to hear from someone from the inside, or someone who's worked on the chassis of these three to be more sure.
Anyways, I'll check what specs are available on the chassis of these three since I'm curious. The path of least resistance (fewest changes) is the likeliest.