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Mazda Protege5, Wagon
Oct 29, 2001 (10:18 am)
I recall Mazda touting the passive rear steering characteristic of this suspension. In fact, my Protege chassis-based 1991 Escort GT was supposed to have this characteristic. But even in aggressive driving, the tail never came out. I could only get it out with the hand brake.
One caveat - the P5 may be a bit small if it's going to be the primary family car. If you are coming from an Outback, with a 5 month old, you may want to wait for the new Mazda 6 wagon, or look at a Tribute or MPV. Of course if you want fuel efficiency, the Mazda 6 with a 4 cylinder would be the choice.
I get 25mpg in my Forester, 27mpg in my Miata. That's an acceptable trade off for AWD and about ten times as much space!
#1748 of 7874 fog light and shield
Oct 29, 2001 (11:04 am)
douglam, there is very little adjustment that the fog lights themselves allow. Maybe .25 inch of movement. Maybe that is enough, but up close it didnt seem so. The shields only allow .25inch of bend as well. Ill be adjusting my fog lights down seeing they might be on the high side with the bend and high adjustment. I notice they light up the side of the road quite a bit and seem to be brighter than the low beams. I keep and updated post later. Guess I should have adjusted them first, and see if that was enough without the bending. Time and testing will tell.
#1749 of 7874 clutch, glennisf
Oct 29, 2001 (11:11 am)
Yes, I would say clutch should engage at 1/4-1/3 from the bottom. If the clutch is engaging late, beside being fraction of second slow in hard acceleration, one may have a too much gas when the clutch is released. If this specific syndrome happens, you should adjust your clutch.
#1750 of 7874 fog light and shield
Oct 29, 2001 (11:13 am)
mjudson, thanks for your reply. So did you have to jack up the car to reach the big nut behind the fog lamp? Or do you have to unscrew part of the wheel well to reach it?
#1751 of 7874 rpm sensing steeing, bigfish2178
Oct 29, 2001 (11:13 am)
Usually racing car doesn't have at all any power assist steering! The power assist steering is first designed for deluxe car I think. I'm still think speed sensing power assist would be a more logical design. But in practice, I'm pretty happy the the steering of the P5, though I would like to try it in a mountain road, where going uphill and dowhill may use different engine rpm at the same cruising speed.
PS: do you often cruising 40mph at 5th? That seems a little low rpm to me.
#1752 of 7874 Looking at the P5, subyaudidude
Oct 29, 2001 (11:16 am)
No I never experience any slip of the rear, even the tires never make any noise when I make a hard corner. My Honda Civic uses to do that, it's a pig compare to the P5 in term of handling. When the TTL suspension kick in, it produces a positive reaction to the body roll and the car follows easily the trajectory. As many have attested, I don't think you have to worry about this problem.
IMHO, 130hp engine is powerful enough, at least when coupled the manual transmission. I don't have opinion about the automatic.
#1753 of 7874 shift point, boopoppa
Oct 29, 2001 (11:20 am)
Bellow is a copy of my old post:
Break-in period: I usually shift at 3500-4000rpm. Don't accelerate hard, varying the cruising speed on the Hwy, (in consequense don't use the cruise control). If you shift up at 3500rpm, the tac will drop to 1950, 2489, 2592, 2724rpm for 2-5th gear respectively. In consequense, when you decelerate and shift back, the right moment is when the tac drops about 2000-2500rmp, so that the engine will never have to rev faster than 3500 rpm when you release the clutch. If the engine is warm enough, you could push the rpm to 4500 for a brief period of time, but do it smoothly. Smooth driving is a keyword for break-in period.
2) after the break-in period: 3500-4500rpm, depending on the trafic, road condition, engine temperature, etc... Better wait until the engine warm up correcly before pushing hard the accelerator.
3) for the best fuel economy, shifting is one thing, but having a light right foot is also important. Accelerate as smooth as you can, and shift around 3000rpm. Also anticipate stopping. If you see a red light ahead, no need to keep the car at high speed and break at the last moment. Modern car don't need to be warm up, just drive right the way when you start it, however treat it gently for the first few miles.
4) Best acceleration: I usualy do not spend a lot of time on the first gear on the flat road. For others gears, I shift the gear at 5500-6000rpm.
#1754 of 7874 Thanks to everyone who responded ...
Oct 29, 2001 (11:37 am)
Juice and Sporin,
I don't think the downsize in cargo room is an issue because we've found that the OB has been unnecessarily large for us. My family lives all of 5 minutes from us, and my wife's family lives in Edmonton, about 2500, so we really don't take long road trips in the car. We're a bit worried as to how my daughter's seat will fit into the P5. She's just moved into a new Britax Roundabout and it seems quite large (at least in comparison with the Graco infant carrier we had before). Of course, we'll take the time to actually try to install this if we get that far down the road. Also, we have no need for the available clearance of the P5, since we rarely get snow here in Columbus, Ohio. So lowering the clearance isn't really an issue either.
Thanks to everyone for the information on the potential oversteer issue. I spoke with my salesman again and he did admit he was pushing it hard on the SCCA course and so not to take his experience to seriously.
With respect to price, he said that the P5s have been going for sticker. Is this really the case? According to good ol' Edmunds, the TMV of the P5 in my area is about $400-$500 under MSRP, but there are only two Mazda dealers here in town and I'm really trying to avoid one of them.
#1755 of 7874 Infant/Baby Seats in P5
Oct 29, 2001 (12:07 pm)
Have only seen a baby seat in the P5 in my condo parking lot, but it does seem to be jammed in there somewhat. This is a possible concern for my wife and I as well, as we are expecting children shortly.
Personally we are looking at the standard 3 compact hatches: P5, Elantra GT, Focus ZX5...trading in a '97 Explorer (big downsize, but gas prices are killing us!). Hoping to purchase something sometime in the next 4-6 months, so have been lurking on all boards, and researching so far.
Oct 29, 2001 (12:35 pm)
I paid about $400 under sticker, but there were 10 other silver ones on the lot. If I had wanted the 1 blue or 1 red one they had, it would have been sticker.
Given that the difference between Invoice and MSPR is less than $1k, it's a pretty small mark-up IMO.
They won't go on until the end of the month, but plan to try out a front one just to make sure it fits well. (just in the driveway, not to drive with.) The only thing that I worry about is brake fit within the 15" steelie, but the TireRack people know thier stuff and this is their recommended setup.
The width and rolling diameter of the 195/55-15 Alpins is almost identical to the stock 195/50-16s.