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MINI Cooper, Hatchback
Jan 10, 2002 (10:15 am)
Great looking little car! Especially the "S"
Yeah, I can wait a couple of years for one and then get the price I want. Plus my current lease will be up in August 2005 so I am thinking around 2004 to purchase a Mini.
Only problem is, with me in the front seat (I'm 6'1) equals 0 back seat room. My seat was touching the back seat. No bueno!
But sign me up for a Cooper S with Dark Silver, white top, sunroof every other option!
Jan 10, 2002 (10:50 am)
Minis are not large, or even small cars by US standards. Once the novelty wears off, sales will drop fast because few gringos will want a car taht small, and less expensive compacts will out perform it.
I'm hoping BMW will eventually bring over a proper compact to the States, something like the old 2002.
Jan 10, 2002 (10:55 am)
it isn't just size or performance, it's also quality. I can think of no small cars that will match it in quality for that price. Also, I think it will be tough to find a car that will match it in handeling. Maybe the Civic Si, Focus SVT and Mazda MP3 will come close, but those are bigger and heavier cars. (never thought I'd say that about a Civic, Focus or Protege!)
#231 of 2671 Let's get the facts straight
Jan 10, 2002 (6:35 pm)
By just peeking in the form here, I can see there is quite some erroneous statements concerning “price mark-ups” and “hype.”
First - there will not be any sort of mark up of the new ‘02 at any authorized BMW dealerships. None. Possibly at second-hand lots there may be mark-up, but BMW has a strict policy of marking up the MSRP on any of their cars. I do not work for them, but let’s say that it is “in the family.”
I am sure they (any of the authorized BMW dealerships) will rigg out many of the new Minis with expensive options - but why not? They can sell more and make more – but they do not mark-up the price.
All are taking deposits – from $500 to $1000 for the std. Cooper or S. This money, according to the web site, is 100% refundable should you opt out at any time – regardless if you spec’d out a Mini for order (may vary from dealer to dealer). I hear of one case where one dealer had some issues with ordering a Mini with a power sunroof and deposit reimbursement. Check your dealer to be sure.
The MSRP for the standard Cooper and S does include destination charges - all you pay is TT&T beyond that (with options of course). Also, not all BMW dealers are authorized Mini dealers – you need to check for your own area.
If you want to see more about pricing and dealer lists and what other people are reporting, try these links:
www.miniusa.com (official site)
Just trying to set some facts straight.
Jan 10, 2002 (7:03 pm)
Well, their strict policy against markups definitely does NOT apply to M3s at the two Detroit area dealerships.
Jan 10, 2002 (8:26 pm)
Or M5s, or the X5 at first.
Actually, I think it is illegal for BMW to tell the dealer what to charge. There is something particular in the Saturn franchise agreement I think, but a BMW dealer is an independant business.
Jan 11, 2002 (5:47 am)
dealer can do whatever they want. Manufacturer has no control. And, as already pointed out, tell all those people that paid a markup on their bmws that "dealers don't add a markup".
#235 of 2671 That's why there's an "S" in MSRP...
Jan 11, 2002 (7:05 am)
Dealers are free to charge whatever the market will bear, as others have pointed out. You are just being naive if you believe otherwise. BMW/MINI dealers are going to behave predictably during the initial high demand period -- outrageous markups over MSRP and fully loaded "take it or leave it" cars are going to be the norm, IMO. Sure, there will be a few dealers who may sell a car at list to an established Bimmer customer, but this won't be what Joe Average can expect.
Jan 11, 2002 (12:26 pm)
Dealers can charge whatever they want, the manager of my Mini dealer said he's not sure how much over MSRP they are going to tack on their Mini's. Because I'm a repeat customer, I will get mine at MSRP. I actually got close to $3K off my 2001 X5 from them then got another $1k off from the BMW club. Can't beat that. M3's and M5's, even Z8's are all MSRP at this dealership if you are a repeat customer.
#237 of 2671 nice but overpriced
Jan 11, 2002 (10:58 pm)
I like the mini but its way overpriced... you could get a toyota celica for just a little more... and it will do everything better. except the lack of heated front window and seats...or if you really want a value go buy a buick century for 17grand... thats not msrp but thats what they roll out the lot for, especially with $2002 cash back. 200hp instead of 115...a lot more car for your dough... If the mini was $15 grand it would be worth it, but not $18-20.