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#1851 of 2671 Cooper S: 2005 vs 2004
May 20, 2004 (9:42 am)
I am seriously considering buying a Mini Cooper S... the only debate being whether to wait for the 2005 or go with the 2004. How much of a difference is there between the two cars... is it really worth waiting 4-5 months for it vs the 8 odd weeks for the 2004? Also, with the dollar - euro rate looking increasingly unfavorable, it is likely to be more expensive. Any ideas on how much more its going to cost?
May 20, 2004 (10:58 am)
The best information on the 2005s is at:
I believe the price increase is expected to be about $500.
If I were buying now, yes, I'd wait. A year further down the production line, slightly more hp, re-geared tranny, more options to choose from, numerous detail improvements, and a year's less depreciation if you trade in a couple years ... well worth $500.
#1853 of 2671 Re: 2005s [markjenn #1852]
May 20, 2004 (12:21 pm)
I guess waiting is the right answer, though after a few test drives my heart was set on getting one this summer. I had even put down a deposit but I canceled it. Its like being caught between the devil and the deep blue sea...
Now I might as well wait and order one in Dec 2004 - Jan 2005, when the production of the new model is stabilized. Also can option it with the Limited Slip Diff... and you are right, when I wish to sell, a 2005 will be more value than a 2004. Phew...
Not that I need a car... I live in the city and walk to work. Its just that I WANTED a MINI!
#1854 of 2671 Re: micweb [lngtonge18 #1850]
May 20, 2004 (12:23 pm)
Thanks for the compliment! My frequent changes are costly, but I haven't been hammered on negative equity so far, even on the "no-down" deals; just because I have been a lucky (and careful) shopper.
I was thinking about getting rid of the xA and Echo (which I got back from my mother, swapped her the Cavalier). I like the xA a lot, but the MINI is the "real thing." The Echo has an auto, which my wife will need if she starts driving, and a bigger trunk than any of the three cars (MINI, xA, Echo) but I want to gradually reduce the number of cars I have.
May 20, 2004 (2:12 pm)
Well, life's short and if you really want one bad, it's not a big deal. My 2004 has been perfect - I think BMW has really turned the corner on 90% of the issues nagging the early ones.
And I certainly wouldn't be the worried in the slightest about letting the 2005 production "stabilize". The changes are very evolutionary and minor - it is not like there is a new engine, new body style, or any other huge change. I'd be happy buying the first 2005 off the line. It is the first year(s) of a completely new model or a complete re-design you have to worry about.
May 21, 2004 (3:39 pm)
I went into another car buying frenzy myself. I sold my 92 Miata and bought a 90 RX7 convertible to replace it. I also just bought a 93 Mitsu Expo LRV Sport. So now I own a grand total of 5 cars!
#1857 of 2671 Prices in Southern Cal?
May 23, 2004 (10:49 am)
It seems like regular minis are going for $21-22k, and S's for mid-$20s. Used 2003s are not much less. Anybody in So Cal do better than this at a dealer? I'd love a Mini as a third car, but the street prices seem steep, considering the base msrp for a non-S model is under $17k. Big mark-ups around here, seem like...
May 23, 2004 (1:43 pm)
As discussed quite a bit in this and other threads, MSRP deals are available over much of the rest of the country if you're willing to travel.
#1859 of 2671 My MINI will probably cost me $18,500
May 24, 2004 (8:59 am)
Before taxes and license. Doc fee in California is limited to $45.
I started with all the options that looked good, trimmed down to all the options that I wanted, then trimmed further to the options I am willing to pay for.
Basically, just DSC and multifunction steering wheel with speed control, plus the price increase. No added dealer markup.
#1860 of 2671 A Mini wrap-up
May 25, 2004 (6:38 am)
I've been a Mini fan for some time now, and until today, I've mostly been much of a lurker, simply because I don't have a Mini and can't comment on my experiences as a Mini owner.
In any case, I'm wondering, what is it that this car has that makes us still like it? After all, from the posts I've read here at least, this car appears to be underpowered, overpriced, expensive to maintain and repair, handles extremely well but doesn't spare the driver from any of road bumps and cracks. You can only have it serviced at authorized Mini dealerships, and all engine grades require premium fuel.
Also, if we were to compare the Mini to, say, the Toyota Corolla, here's what I found in terms of engine performance:
Corolla: 1.8L DOHC, 130 hp 6000 RPM,
125 lb torque 4200 RPM
Weight (LE): 2615 lbs
Fuel: Regular octane, (29 city / 38 highway)
Mini: 1.6L SOHC, 116 hp 6000 RPM,
110 lb torque 4500 RPM
Weight (Cooper): 2557 lbs.
Fuel: Premium octane, (25 city / 32 highway)
As you can see, the Corolla not only outperforms the Mini, but is also more fuel-efficient at the same time. Now some people here might say that I'm comparing apples to oranges, because the Cooper and the Corolla are two different cars, but I tend to think otherwise. Both are small cars, and although the street Corolla isn't the same one found in ralleys, I think the chances of getting your $25,000 Mini in a ralley anytime soon are pretty close to nil.
Mind you, I'm not knocking the Mini; I still love that car, and am trying to understand why people like it so much when there are more logical choices around. Maybe it's because the styling is so different? Maybe the other Mini fans would be able to explain this. Over to you guys.