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Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class, Coupe, Convertible
#948 of 1636 #880 To Answer the Question... by jrct9454
Mar 18, 2002 (6:07 am)
Mercedes has brought a lot of this [Luxury image] on itself. When I bought my first [of 13] Mercedes in 1968, the car I bought [a mid-size that eventually morphed into what is now known as the E] had a 4 cyl engine, manual steering, tex upholstery, crank windows, a manual transmission and no AC. This was pretty typical for the car then in both the US and EU...
True, but let's be honest and recognize that Mercedes is hardly alone in this; all the manufacturers have done it, because of the "new and improved" syndrome.
I recall having a 1979 Honda Civic, and it was a far far, cry from today's mid level (semi-lux) midsize sedan: it had crank windows, a tiny 1.2 liter 4 cyl., no AC, no radio, etc, and the entire car only weighed something like 1160 pounds, less than half of the current 2002 model.
#949 of 1636 Facts by chronopassion
Mar 18, 2002 (6:09 am)
[Another interesting fact about the C230 concerns its cost outside] of the United States. When the VAT is taken into account in Europe, many countries price out the C230 Kompressor at nearly $50,000
Well, that certainly explains that "Agree not to export" document I was asked to sign at delivery! Anyone else run into this one?
Mar 18, 2002 (6:22 am)
Wax your wheels and rinse them off whenever you can. Even if you can't wash your entire car, wash the wheels. Brake Sust shields such as "Kleen Wheels" are quite effective at keeping wheels free of brake dust for longer peroids of time, however they do cause excess heat and reduce ventilation and will cause your rotors to warp. Replacing warped brake rotors on a Mercedes isn't cheap. So wax your wheels and wash them as often as you can.
huntzinger: You drove a car with no Radio? Didn't you get bored? LOL!
Mar 18, 2002 (7:56 am)
The key differentiation between the 318ti and the C230 is the power -- not just raw horsepower, which is good, but plenty of torque at low rpm's. The 318ti was a pretender when it came to performance, while the C230 delivers very good performance.
Agreed, 110%. I almost bought a TI a few years ago and the reason why was a combination of extreme salesman indifference, combined with it being a gutless wonder; my old 8V Scirocco had significantly more "zip", which was probably due to VW having stroker motors and BMW's preference to run square (or even slightly under square), which hurts torque output. As we all (should) know, people buy HP, but drive torque.
PS: No Radio. Yes, the '79 Civic's standard equipment did not include a radio. No, that doesn't mean that it stayed that way.
#952 of 1636 #889 Oh no? by jmess
Mar 18, 2002 (8:02 am)
- rear window wiper option
I thought the car didn't need one? Right, that is why it is an option )
Sounds like Benz has listened to some owners and is making some adjustments. Should make a good car even better.
Hmmm... anyone potentially interested in buying a used 2002 next year? Just rolled 1000 miles this AM.
Mar 18, 2002 (8:05 am)
Now I'm not starting a 318ti vs. C230K thread or argument here. I agree with huntzinger that the C230 is a much better car then the old ti was. It has much more usable power (torque) and seems like a better built car all around. I too drove a 318ti (slushbox) when it came out and was not impressed at all. However, many people on the 3 series thread seem to like the Ti. I've heard the best way to drive a BMW 4 Cylinder is with a 5 speed and drive it like you hate it! It will be interesting to see if BMW imports the current (E46) 316ti or 325ti. I think they are waiting to see how well the C Coupe sells and if Audi plans to bring the next generation A3 to our shores. This market could get interesting if competition starts to heat up.
#954 of 1636 Brake dust comments
Mar 18, 2002 (9:14 am)
Thanks for the advise. Looks like an ongoing chore to keep the wheels clean. Question; I live in an apartment complex and the hosing off option is kind of hard to pull off. I take the C230 to the car wash periodically where it goes through the gauntlet of swinging rags and sprayers. I noticed that this one place I go to, sprays something from a big "bug sprayer" pressurized can onto the tires and wheels. After about 45 seconds, another guy using a high pressure wand blasts the wheels and tires before the car heads into the car wash section. What is that they are spraying onto the wheels and tires? Is it some sort of harsh chemical that really strips off the road dirt and brake dust, and thus any wax one might apply? Is it eventually harmful to the wheels? Anyone know? Thanks!
#955 of 1636 tommyp13:2003 Kompressor Engines
Mar 18, 2002 (1:01 pm)
There is a rumor of the 2.3l being changed for a 1.8l. So, not all change is good.
In other words, if you're basically happy with the '02 version, get it; '03 may be worse.
New Engines previewed at http://mbspy.bacosys.be/M271.htm
Well, they might offer other engines aside from the 2.3L, but I doubt that MB would just change the engine to a lower displacement with less power. That would be a severe regression. But, I could be wrong and you could be right.
#956 of 1636 The new family of engines....
Mar 18, 2002 (1:12 pm)
...will be just that, a family, more than one displacement, with and without supercharging, with and without direct injection. Just exactly which they will choose to put in the Coupe for next year for the North American market is anyone's guess, but I would not bet on less power...just better fuel consumption and lower emissions.
I too am torn between the attraction of the new technology, and the concern that introducing new technology brings greater reliability risk. Even as I am writing this, I'm trying to decide whether or not to make an offer on a C230 Coupe or wait until next year, or pick something entirely different.
Drove the car yesterday [automatic required for us] and I was even more impressed than on our first drive 5 months ago. It isn't absolutely quicker than our '01 Accord V6, but the ready torque makes it feel more effortless when you want extra speed. Ride quality is merely comparable to the Accord - no better nor worse. But it is noticeably quieter than the Accord, by a whole bunch, and of course the handling, brakes, and safety features all favor the MB. However, the cargo capacity with the cover in place and the seats up is just over 10 cubic feet, and I am debating about whether I can get by with that given the normal "stuff" this enthusiast has on hand at all times [torque wrench, some tools, cleaning stuff, car cover, etc.]. Still thinking...
#957 of 1636 brake dust & exports
Mar 18, 2002 (4:23 pm)
huntzinger - Yes, I also signed an agreement prohibiting export of my C230K. I talked about this with the dealership; it reminded me of the early '80s when gray market, Euro-spec cars were imported to the USA due to the huge differential in prices in Europe and the strength of the USA dollar. I guess MB pricing is the opposite now, though the dollar is still strong. The car is, in the macro-economic world scheme of things, a screaming deal.
As for brake dust: I get a lot of it, of course the majority is on the front. To me, this is typical Mercedes. You use the brakes hard because they work great. I notice relatively clean (body washed weekly) E-class sedans all the time with absolutely filthy wheels. The dentist's wives are too lazy to wash the cars themselves and the dopes at the drive through car wash don't do the job any better than they do on the preceeding Grand Marquis or the trailing Explorer.
jjpeter - you gotta stay on it. What's wrong with cleaning your wonderful car's wheels at your apartment? Some enviro geeks will complain about greasy brake dust in the storm sewers? Do it; it is a special car and deserves to have those wheels maintained well. Get used to dirty Mercedes wheels; this isn't a Civic with wheel covers. It is a performance car with brakes that perform and leave evidence of doing so. The pads are soft; replace them only with MB parts. Note that the cost of new brake pads is on you, not part of your MB maintenance free deal.