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#584 of 1627 It didn't even come up by tommyp13 Nov 07, 2001 (3:12 pm)
He priced it for me for all four, which is what I want anyway, as I don't want my bright new 17 inchers to get screwed up by salt.   Thanks for the warning.
#585 of 1627 Perma Plate and oil changes by jjpeter Nov 07, 2001 (3:45 pm)
The magic of the Perma Plate protection is the guarantee. After talking it over with the service advisor upon picking up the car this afternoon, I was more at ease about spending the $$. Once applied (with their new more advanced formula) they say you don't have to do anything to it for 5 years. If ANYTHING gets on there that won't come off with a normal washing, bring it back to them and they will bring it back to the original finish. OK. Same goes for the interior treatment we got also. They included a bottle of application liquid which one could use to "haze" the car once a year if desired, but its not necessary to maintain the gurantee. Since I don't have time anymore to wax my cars, I figured this is one way to keep the factory finish fresh and protect the car for the long haul.   jrct9454, is there really 10 quarts of oil in the coupe? If so, then yeah, the new engines and using Mobil 1 makes for extended periods between oil changes. Nuff said.
#586 of 1627 Slippery Stuff by lukyme Nov 08, 2001 (5:48 am)
Thanks for the input. I feel a little better about the oil change intervals. Like mentioned before, my BMW had the same deal, about 8500 miles before it told me to change the oil. I really didn't care as much as it was leased, and I would only have it for 30K. I plan to keep the C230 in the family for a while. I am on the same page with JRCT9454, regarding the fact that oil stays cleaner in the newer cars. I've mostly owned Honda's and Toyota's for the past 20+ years, and their oil always looked great after 3-4K. Don't recall the clean oil in the Big Three's after 3K. Looked like the stuff that was bubblin' out of the ground in the Beverly Hillbilly's. (At least those of 10 years ago) Thanks for the input "Y'all".
#587 of 1627 Oil Capacity by jrct9454 Nov 08, 2001 (6:26 am)
Well, it's somewhere between 8 and 10 quarts...somebody with a current 4 cyl owners manual will have to help out here. On the v-engine side of the family, it's just short of 10 quarts.   In any case, the generalization would work just as well if it were less - the important point is that modern cars are just not poisoning their own crankcases at the rate of even 6-8 years ago.   I will add that the new modular, all-aluminum engine family from MB [all of the new-gen V6s and 8s] are even cleaner than the last of the iron-block engines, which is what the 4 cyl Komp is. Some of the new-gen engines have been known to go 15k miles before the FSS demands an oil change. All depends on how you drive, and most importantly, how warm and long each engine cycle is. For the 4, a good average would be somewhere in the 8-12k miles range.
#588 of 1627 Oil and C230 by abc246 Nov 08, 2001 (5:46 pm)
I would not worry about the extended oil change intervals. The oil monitoring system on GM trucks will allow up to 10k miles on regular motor oil under certain conditions. Interesting thing is these trucks only hold 6 quarts. GM makes over a million of these a year and with the extended warranties they would have huge repair costs if this was not OK. I am following 10K service on my Silverado, but use synthetic oil. The oil on the dipstick looks fine even after 10k.   I am thinking about purchasing a 6 speed C230 and read every word of Edmonds Road Test. Under second opinions one person mentions rattles. If there one thing I can't take in a car is rattles. Has anyone had a problem with rattles? I was disappointed to read post 542 because the 2000 C230 didn't feel as solid is the 2002. I tried to purchase the ML in 98 and in 99 and did not because these SUVs rattled on the test drive!! I hope MB is not sacrificing quality for price nowadays.
#589 of 1627 Rattles? by jjpeter Nov 08, 2001 (7:08 pm)
abc, so far, our C230 is solid as an oak block, rattle free. Of course its only 2 weeks old, LOL. Time will tell. I'd believe they are building them very tight. Build quality is fantastic on the coupe. We did not get the sun roof. Prefer the safety and simplicity of a solid roof. I was surprised how the 2000 loaner C230K felt. It had only 24K on it. Might attribute it to the fact it had a sunroof, a source of noise intrusion, and junky Goodyear Eagle tires, which transmitted a lot of noise off of the pavement. If I owned that car, those tires would be HISTORY!
#590 of 1627 Rattles? by billytt Nov 08, 2001 (8:19 pm)
I can go jjpeter one better. My C230 is almost 4 months old with 7,902 miles and never a single rattle other than some loose CD cases in the glove box. I do have the panorama roof and it is included in that "never rattled" category.   Now, to be completely honest, there once was a faint squeak coming from the front passenger headrest. I applied a little leather conditioner to the back side and under the back cover piece. That squeak has not been heard from since.
#591 of 1627 Perma Plate the guarantee? by ccweems Nov 08, 2001 (10:29 pm)
Look at it close. Without seeing it I bet they have enough room to wiggle out of any claim. Fair warning to those who buy product for the guarantee. That is what Sears has done for years with the DieHard - a cheaply built battery with an expensive guarantee. If MB could significantly improve the finish of the car by applying some liquid they would have done it. Borrow a copy of Automotive News (the dealer will have it) and look at the adds from all of the dealer installed products. Read the claims of "$25 product, 30 min. time and $100's of profit". Remember Poly Glycote (a similar product)? Eventually the state attorney generals shut them down when it became evident that they had no intention of honoring the guarantee. My suggestion: Keep your car out of the sun as much as possible and spend $75 every year to have it detailed.
#592 of 1627 What Rattles ???? by lukyme Nov 09, 2001 (6:49 am)
When it comes to car rattles, I go nuts. I can't stand any rattles, shimmies, or shakes. My C230 is so far as tight as they get. I have the sunroof, and frankly, don't hear a thing from it. This car feels like it was carved from a solid piece of steel. I agree with you about the ML. I considered one back in 98, when the 99's were coming in. I was not impressed with it at all. It kind of put me off on MB for a little while. The fact is that these ML's were a totally new product for MB, building them in the U.S. for the first time, and I think they compromised on MB quality initially. I have not driven one lately, so I don't know if they improved or not. As a side note, I was a quality control inspector for Honda in Marysville, Ohio back in the early 80's. We lived and breathed nothing but quality. I was trained to drive these new cars off the line, take them out to a test track with lots of bumps built in it, and try to create or find any rattles or sounds. Did I ever get picky about the personal cars I drive. My wife thinks I'm crazy when I can hear the most muffled rattle in a car and I've got to get rid of it. You won't be disappointed with the C230 as far as build quality goes.
#593 of 1627 Eye candy by jjpeter Nov 10, 2001 (8:16 pm)
Have posted pics of our Silver 2002 C230 Kompressor Coupe. Have a look... http://photos.yahoo.com/jay07_1996

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