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#1386 of 1636 mercedes benz quality ???
Feb 28, 2003 (3:46 pm)
can anyone tell us where the mercedes benz quality really is ?
we purchased a 2002 C320 and it had so many problems that we were left quite confused. we were told by sales that this car was the best and the quality was incomparable.
but our experience was otherwise. problems included electronic sensors, memory features, brakes, transmission and noise.
the car was in the shop numerous times, and most problems came back unfixed. service dept that the problems were not detected at this time.
maybe the problem is in the definition of the word "quality". i guess anyone can use that word these days as a marketing device. but we expected a little more from mercedes benz.
we got rid of our C320 and are now driving a Lexus GS300. superb car, no problems. live and learn.
#1387 of 1636 Quality . . .
Mar 01, 2003 (10:08 am)
A friend just bought a used MDX with low miles, and I like it--not nearly as much as we like our '00 ML which is why we got a '02 C320 to replace the last Honda.
I was interested to hear of the poor Acura MDX's service history: the previous owner even took the car back to have the door handles chromed again because it wasn't good enough. There list of return visits form myriad service items seemed endless and reading the description of the problems made you feel a little sorry for Honda, although I'm sure the owner was steamed. But, the new owner loves it--same car.
I think Lexus in general must have fewer initial service nigglies than all other cars, which is why they consistently score so high on the customer satisfaction scales. I think anyone who buys one is making a sensible decision. Don't look back.
Our C320 has been problem-free and it is the best care we've ever owned. But, if there ever are problems, I'm pretty sure our dealer will take care of them. Meanwhile, we get MB loaners whenever we take our cars in for FSS services. Trading in the "C" for the day for an "E" is not a problem. After about a year, I'll be looking forward to the next service so I can try out the newest E-Class offering.
Our dealer will wash our cars for free, even without a service and thrown in a free detail once per year. We're pretty satisfied our MB experiences but the dealer experience probably is part of the package.
#1388 of 1636 Having owned 14 MBs...
Mar 01, 2003 (11:54 am)
...12 Toyota products, and 6 Hondas [including Acura-badged cars ], I can say with some authority that nothing the Germans make is going to be as trouble-free as anything from the Japanese Big-Three. [There have also been 8 VW/Audi cars, 4 BMWs, and the odd Porsche or two since 1962 in the mix.] That's a fact, and the data continue to support this idea.
Having said that, our current ride is an '02 C240 automatic, manufactured in January of '02 and bought at a steep discount in September. Aside from the wheel alignment, which was noted before we signed the deal, and which was remedied shortly after delivery, we have had no serious issues so far. I had to re-synch the sunroof on Day 2; otherwise [knock on wood] it has been a joy to drive - smooth, quiet, quick enough for our purposes, and very comfortable on long trips.
As it happens, I'm not a fan of the current GS - I've never driven an example yet that didn't have wheel shakes from flat-spotted tires or other tire irregularities, though I know I am more sensitive to this problem than most people. I liked everything about the IS except the rocky ride that is dictated by the boy-racer 17" 45-profile tires that are mandatory on the West Coast. The only Lexus I really like is the LS, and though we did consider a used one, a new one is out of our price league.
The best Japanese alternative to a C or 3er in my mind is probably the Infiniti/Nissan G35. That was a very close competitor for our $ this last time around. The ride quality of the C probably broke this tie, but it was a very near thing. Long-term reliability between these two cars clearly favors the G - I decided to take the risk to get the car that most closely matched our needs, but recognize that the extended warranty is almost a must for the MB, and probably unnecessary for the G.
It's always a tradeoff - the perfect car doesn't exist.
#1390 of 1636 Just Got My C230
Mar 04, 2003 (12:37 pm)
Picked up C230 from dealer's stock 02/28. Pretty good lease deal for three years. They calculated lease using the selling price of almost $3000 below invoice -- to the point that my dad wanted to get one as well. It's silver with c2 package and CD changer, manual transmisssion. SO far drives well and no complaints. WE shall see, however... This weekend will take it for a long ride and explore capabilities even further
Mar 04, 2003 (4:40 pm)
If you don't mind me asking, what numbers did you get? If you prefer, you can email me at crikeybellsouth.net. Thanks.
#1392 of 1636 To AlexWalex- Congratulation!
Mar 04, 2003 (7:37 pm)
We look forward to hearing more details about your MB C230.... Happy motoring!
Hatchbacks & Wagons Boards
Mar 04, 2003 (8:15 pm)
congrat on your order, just today i went back to the diler cause a friend of mine wanted to get the car,during the weekend he went but the best price he got for the same package i have was 32300 and only after i went with my paperwork and talked to fleet manager they agreed to sell the car for the same price reason is that sport sedan is ine of most orderd cars this spring in northeast and dilers start not to negotiate the price, he will get the car some time in may they told him.
Good news, mine is in the ship on his way in 3 weeks top should be in my hands (CANT WAIT ANYMORE)another thing all c klass are build in germany i know cause once i got the vin nr i called directley in Sindelfingen and was there
#1394 of 1636 6-speed manual transmission bad?
Mar 04, 2003 (11:51 pm)
I test drove the C230 sports sedan with a manual transmission. I found that the manual transmission was aweful. It had a very sloppy feel. I had a hard time getting it into second gear. The clutch was aweful. Is this just my perception or does anyone else think that the Manual transmission in the C230 is aweful?? I expected a better 6speed in a car costing $30k.
What do you guys think about MB 6 speed?
#1395 of 1636 AlexWalex & tulanekid24
Mar 05, 2003 (9:09 am)
First of all, congratulations to you, Alex. My C230 is not expected to arrive until mid-April, so I am pretty jealous right now! Keep us updated as to how your initial ownership experience is going.
Secondly, tulanekid24, I am not sure if it was just the 6 spd that you drove, but I love the manual tranny from MB. I test drove the A4 & 330i and can tell you that the MB holds its own against both of them. All of my previous vehicles have been manual and compared to the VR6, Beamer & Prelude that I owned, this six speed is just as good. Maybe you are not comfortable with a 6 spd or maybe you have not driven many before, but I assure you that you should not have any trouble getting into second gear. Lastly, if you have only driven 5 spds before, this MB 6 spd has very short first and second gear ratios, maybe it would just take you driving it a couple of times. Otherwise, get an automatic!