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You are in the Mercedes-Benz CLK
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Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class, Coupe, Convertible
Jul 07, 2002 (8:30 am)
im having a tough time getting used to this hatchback idea and i dont want a four door, what would really do it for me is if they made that C230 as a two door coupe with a trunk similar to the 2door honda accord setup (have you seen the pic of the new 2003 honda accord 2door coupe yet? email me and ill send it to you)
i cant believe mercedes is not offering the C230 in a two door coupe with a trunk and i dont want to buy the hatchback just to find that a two door with trunk is in the works
#1183 of 1636 Well...don't wait around...
Jul 07, 2002 (9:20 am)
...the car you're describing is called the CLK, and starts somewhere north of $45k for the newly redesigned '03.
Personally, the hatch is exactly what I want, and am surprised more of them are not offered in this market. SAAB is apparently going to drop the 5 door from the 9-3 lineup when the new car debuts in the fall - I'm completely mystified where the American public comes from on this topic. EVERYWHERE else in the world, it's the hatch that is the most desireable configuration.
Anyway, the 2-door C you want is out there, and has been out there for 4 years...that's the niche the CLK is supposed to fill.
Jul 07, 2002 (8:32 pm)
Could you please clarify what is so hard to stomach about hatchbacks? Is it just how the car looks, or is it something else? Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is with trunks. Unless it's just a preference in how a trunk looks, I see no other plus in having one. It certainly makes no sense safety wise. If someone breaks into your car, they can just as easily break into the trunk as they can a hatch. And a trunk can't hold anything bulky or odd sized, no matter if the seat folds down or not. Anyway, I was just curious as to why you didn't like hatchbacks.
Jul 08, 2002 (4:02 am)
I don't care too much either way, but I know that many people prefer trunks for collision protection and damage protection reasons. The combination of separate rear pillars and a separate trunk tends to withstand somewhat greater loads. Also, hatches have a reputation for poorer durability than trunks - whether this is justified or not, the reputation is there in some circles. Hatches (I think) tend to be noisier because of less sound insulation out back. Lastly, hatches tend to be associated with economy vehicles and therefore, the more upscale you go, the fewer hatches you see. Does anyone expect Mercedes to make the CL500 a hatchback? Why not?
#1186 of 1636 To the extent it matters, the '03s are almost here...
Jul 08, 2002 (5:26 am)
...release date for the '03 Cs is supposed to be the first part of August. Changes on the coupe are most significant in the engine compartment, with the new 1.8 SC engine replacing the iron block 2.3. Both power and torque are down about 3-5%, but fuel mileage is up 7%, and it promises to be smoother and quieter with the balance shafts.
If you are hot for the current car, whatever is on dealer lots now is just about all there will be. The new ones are already arriving at the VPCs.
Jul 08, 2002 (8:01 am)
BTW, European roads are full of MB A class and Smart vehicles.
And PT Cruisers, too .
I'm just back from 2 weeks in Germany, having had a Mercedes A-140 for ~1400km worth of driving. I do have to say that I'm quite impressed with the car in context of its price, and that despite only having a 1.4 liter motor, it moved out well enough, including the ability to pass the lorries on the Autobahn, and a typical cruising speed of ~140kph outside of congested areas. It was also interesting in that the only vehicles that were really in the "pffft" passing category were the E's, 5's and 911's.
Overall, I'd say that I'd seriously consider an A in the USA, if looking for something in that <20K price range, although I would prefer it to go along with Germany's essentially SUV-free roads. -hh
Jul 08, 2002 (8:44 am)
...should be here by '05, perhaps as early as the fall of '04. The car we will see is of course the scheduled redesign, but I believe that the key features [two-story design, massive interior vs size of car, FWD] will be the same. They want to work on ride and engines before bringing it to NA - I expect we will get the naturally aspirated 1.8 that is about to appear in the C230 in supercharged form. The basic 1.8 would be fine for a car of the A's weight, even if the new one weighs more, as it inevitably will. As noted above, the current car manages fine with 1.4 and 1.7 liter gas engines, and a particularly nice diesel which we will never see here.
And this platform will be the basis for their run at hybrid and fuel cell drivetrains, which we should see before the decade is out.
#1189 of 1636 Talking about the A-Class,...
Jul 08, 2002 (5:05 pm)
...I had an A 170 CDI rental two years ago, and that little thing made me grin ear to ear. Low end torque, acceleration in high gear, and top speed (~185 kph/115 mph acc to its speedo) were more than adequate, considering the engine size. The sucessor is believed to have a lower center of gravity to help keep all wheels on the ground (no more elk-issues...), I wonder how you realize that with the "two story" design?
#1190 of 1636 Some packaging details...
Jul 09, 2002 (5:02 am)
...can be jiggered to get the CG down a couple of inches. And the diesel is the best engine in the line, but not here until the US oil companies stop whining about it and get on with getting the sulfur out of our diesel fuel.
Also, we will get only the long-wheelbase version - there is even the possibility that the LWB will be the standard [and only] car for every market when the A is redesigned - the extra WB also helps stability in sudden avoidance maneuvers.
Jul 09, 2002 (5:21 am)
What is a two-story design?