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Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class, Coupe, Convertible
May 13, 2002 (6:01 am)
Huntzinger: You've made some excellent points as always. I agree with you that the old saying "different strokes for different folks" holds true especially when it comes to cars. There's one thing you didn't mention about the Mercedes as a positive attribute: RWD.
Both the C Coupe and RSX Type S were on my shortlist to replace my 2000 Saab 9-3. I drove both and bought neither. Mercedes or Not, they could put a big Dodge emblem in place of the 3 pointed star on the grill and it would still be a beautiful car. I love the C7 Wheels, Panorama Sunroof, & Exhaust pipe that sticks out the back. I loved the torque and handling of the C. The interior was well laid out. Back seat room is definitely a plus. As much as I love Mercedes, I have been a little concerned about their build quality in the last couple of years. Free maintenance for 4 years is definitely a plus. I never drove the 6 speed (none in stock), but was very impressed with the Automatic.
The RSX Type S. I have to admit, I HATED the styling at first, but it really grew on me. The interior is simple & functional without looking cheap. The steering on the RSX was crisper. The torque (or lack there of) is something that would take me time to get used to coming from a Turbocharged Saab. Acura reliability is rock solid. The 6 speed shifter is great. I found the car to be too noisy on the highway for my tastes.
In the end, I went with what my wallet told me to go with. The C230 (as well as the A4 1.8T & ED BMW 325Ci) was a little out of my price range. I had the choice of either paying cash or having a car payment on a $30,000 car (I know the C230 is widely available for under $30K, but not optioned out as I'd want it), I chose NO PAYMENTS. THE RSX did it for me as far as price went. I ended up buying a leftover 2001 Honda Prelude Type SH.
#1112 of 1636 C230 Coupe by nyccarguy
May 13, 2002 (8:22 am)
There's one thing you didn't mention about the Mercedes as a positive attribute: RWD
Personally, it wasn't a big deal to me either way: I do have a need to drive in lousy winter conditions and FWD is generally good for this. In changing to the C230's RWD, I've been finding that its "ESP" warning light has been kicking on more frequently than I would have otherwise expected (typically on rainy days, like today), which means that dedicated snows are going to be a "must" for me.
I found the [RSX] to be too noisy on the highway for my tastes.
Interesting, as this was the same observation I had had when I test-drove the Integra: it was actually noisier than the old VW Scirocco (S2) I had had. Interestingly, I still use my old Scirocco as my comparison benchmark, and I've referred to the C230 as a "worthy successor". Kind of funny to consider a MB as an alternative to a VW, eh?
May 13, 2002 (10:43 am)
I may have your dedicated snows for next year. I bought a set while I was waiting for my C230, but ended up getting a different car. Michelin Pilot Alpin (staggered 205 & 225 widths) on C-Class sedan alloys.
May 19, 2002 (10:45 am)
I'm interested in the c230. Just wanted to see what deals on leases that others were getting for the c230. What are the residual values and money factors for different lengths of leasing for the car?
May 19, 2002 (11:22 am)
Integra people shouldn't be messing around in C230s. No soup for you.
#1116 of 1636 Interior build quality issues (& also new engine)
May 22, 2002 (8:05 am)
Anyone who's bought a C230 recently have comments on interior build quality? I test drove one a couple of weeks ago and really liked it. My one concern was with a problem I had during my test drives:
I test drove both the C240 and the C230 with manual trans. The shift lever (the plastic part and the leather casing seem pretty similar). One must pull the shift lever up and push it over to put it in reverse. When I tried to do this on the C240, the whole plastic/leather pulled up off of the center stack, exposing the metal rod of the shifter! It snapped back in and it took a couple of tries for me to put it in reverse without pulling it out of the stack.... I didn't have this problem with the C230, but the shifter body components look very similar.
Anyway, I test drove the RSX type S on the same day. I liked both of the cars, but like some other people here, I'm drawn to the tech features that are on the MB and not on the RSX (curtain airbags, DSC and a nav system were on my want list). I liked the C230 a lot more than the C240 (I like the punchiness and sound of the supercharged 4, although I did notice the C240 has a lot less cabin noise than the C230).
I guess I'm probably in the market for next year's vehicle, though, so I'm waiting on seeing what the new engine is like that's coming over. After reading all the posts on this, I'm still a little bit confused.
My understanding is that of the new 4-cylinder MB engines, all are all-aluminum bodied, and some have gasoline direct injection. The recent Edmunds review of the new CLK mentioned one of the fours that was a 170HP gas DI engine, but my understanding is that the one coming on the US C coupe is a 190-ish HP one to match the output of the current 2.3 liter. (I'd think that either the weight would have to drop a lot, or the price if I'd accept the 170 HP engine over the current one, especially if it has the lower torque level of comparable turbocharged 170 HP engines like the one in the A4....)
So does anyone know, will the US engine be DI or not? Are there issues with US fuel (analogous to the sulphur content problem for high-tech diesels) that prevent DI from being put into production for US vehicles?
#1117 of 1636 European Delivery questions/price/new coupe engine
May 22, 2002 (8:47 am)
Been a while since I've poped in on this board. Hope all is well with everyone!
So, long story, but it looks like I'm in the market for another coupe. I would like to do European Delievy. My question is will I be able to haggle on price if I do European Delivery? Anybody have experince on this or know where I might be able to find out.
Thanks so much.
mohan_krishnan, the new engine comming stateside is 187 hp and a 15 lb drop in torque. Remember that you drive Torque and not HP, so you will feel a difference. But the car does get better MPG -- it could not be worse.
I looked at the RSX and the Coupe also. I choosee the coupe and I'm happy I did.
#1118 of 1636 There is no connection between Direct Injection,,,
May 22, 2002 (11:47 am)
...either in a gasoline or diesel engines, and the question of the sulfur content in the fuel.
The latter is strictly an issue with how easily [or not] the engine can be made to meet the more strict emission requirements coming in 2004. Direct Injection has some effect on emissions, but the main attraction is better fuel economy for the same or nearly the same horsepower.
Sulfur tends to poison the catalysts and thus makes it harder and more expensive to clean up the post-combustion byproducts. But its presence or absence doesn't affect the argument for direct injection, which is a good idea in any case.
With early DI engines, esp the DI diesels, there were some extra noise issues that had to be dealt with, but that is mostly history now.
#1119 of 1636 EU Deliv prices
May 22, 2002 (11:52 am)
In theory, the price is negotiable - and has always been. In practice, the margins on EU delivery are now so thin that there isn't a lot of room to maneuver.
In the grand old days of yore, when there were 10-15% margins on OD cars, many dealers specialized in OD at a discount, though it tended to be jungle telegraph in terms of how the word got around. Now, I presume that no one will want to admit up front that they are willing to knock off anything from an OD...that doesn't mean you can't ask...just be prepared for the answer and be ready to ask someone else.
#1120 of 1636 leasing a 230
May 23, 2002 (5:37 pm)
I have seen an add twice for C230 with a lease at $399 per month, 10K miles/year for 39 months, the residual value is about $20k, I figure the effective interest on this is about 30%. I want buy one sometime this year. I went for a test drive a few weeks ago. The sun roof really was impressive, at first I thought it would not be useful, now I feel it is one of the best features of the car.