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#1270 of 2215 Re: 2012 E 350 [stevemc3]
Dec 13, 2011 (8:55 am)
Yes, a $2000 below invoice is a good deal since he is selling you the vehicle for about his invoice and will receive $2000 from Mercedes Benz to cover the below cost price. Remember, the 2012 4 door sedans are in tight supply for some reason, throughout the country. Anytime you can buy a limited inventory car for that price is excellent.
Pre-paid maintenance is a great feature if they would throw it in for you. The average A maintenance is $330.00. So, you get $1000.00 worth of maintenance for about $700 +/-. At the price he is selling you the car for, I would doubt he has much room left to accomodate the "throw in maintenance", however, with this being the end of the year, he might be willing to eat into his 2% holdback a bit. Who knows - but if you don't ask, you'll never know.
If you are getting the luxury model, there are not alot of them available since 90% of the E350 production this year is in the sport model. Swapping wheels is difficult because of the tire pressure sensors in each wheel - which sends data to the car's computer system. When you change wheels, everything has to be re-programmed - and is costly in terms of shop hourly costs. It takes a tremendous amount of time to change wheels and tires because of the reprogramming.
#1271 of 2215 Re: 2012 E 350
Dec 13, 2011 (9:34 am)
Abacomike--many thanks. Very useful information.
#1272 of 2215 Re: 2012 E 350 [stevemc3]
Dec 13, 2011 (11:33 am)
You are quite welcome!
#1273 of 2215 Re: Confusing MB Web Site vs European Delivery [abacomike]
Dec 14, 2011 (4:24 am)
Many thanks. I have now revisited the issues and wished I had read your reply much closer before accepting the deal. Here is what happened that slipped my mind.
I settled with the saleslady on the vehicle E350 I wanted. When I got home and had 24 hours to think about it I called back and said lets add heated and ventilated seats. She said that would require the leather option which was $1600. She called the ED office at MB in New Jersey and they agreed to ship the car I originally ordered the day before to the dealership and replace my order with a vehicle with leather and ventilated seats. The sales lady then had the exact vehicle put on the Purchase Order but somehow, someway the New Jersey office skipped the ventilated in favor of massage.
I just decided to let it go but after re-reading your response I wished I had asked the sales person yesterday to try the "ship ED to USA". I think at this point I will let it go. I will just make up my mind to be happy with what is delivered to me in Europe.
Another thing that really surprised me on this forum (wished I'd found it
before I ordered) was the 90% of E350's are sport. Mine is luxury. I'm stunned at that ratio.
If I may add a final question, I was trying to find out the shipping dates from Europe to Brunswick, GA. I am scheduled to pick up my vehicle on Jan 11 and redeliver at on Jan 12. It will be winter in Europe and I wasn't sure I wanted to chance driving on snow or ice. Do you have any idea if European Delivery is faster from the factory? I understand the shipping point is Bremerhaven. I leave from Frankfurt on the 13th. Not sure about getting to Frankfurt airport from Bremerhaven. In other words I was hoping to drop off the vehicle at the place where shipping to Brunswick would be fastest. Harms said to contact their offices but they have not responded (Bremerhaven) in a week to my emails.
#1274 of 2215 Re: Confusing MB Web Site vs European Delivery [hhoyt]
Dec 14, 2011 (5:38 am)
I took European delivery on my 2007, BUT NEVER AGAIN! It was February, and all I dealt with was snow and ice, and the trip was a bummer. I should have taken European delivery in October, but not after that. The accommodations were excellent, but the driving was treacherous. Then, I had to drive the car to the port of exit to the U.S. Took all the pleasure out of the European trip.
There is a major difference between the sport and luxury models. The luxury models ride less firm, do not have different sized tired front and rear, have 18" tires and wheels for better traction and handling, but the tires wear out much more quickly - I usually get about 16,000 miles on a set. But, the styling (lower body and front grillework are different) is much more appealing on the sport, at least to me. The car rides a little stiffer, but handling is much improved over the luxury. I would expect resale on the sport to be better than on the luxury due to interior styling/exterior styling and the fact that most E350's are sport models.
You will not realize any major increase in resale due to P2 overe P1, ventilated seats or multi-contour seats. The best resale is on a P1 with the sport wheel package and would be worth about the same as mine. (i.e., 62325 for mine, 57,000 for the other, but both would be worth about the same at resale time 3 years later).
As you should be aware, your dealer can locate an identical car you want from more than 800 dealers nationwide and have that car shipped to his dealership, and the cost would be minimal since MB is contributing to the cost due to their error. I would take the car here and then take a nice trip through the U.S. and Canada this summer. Besides, Europe can be seen any time and driving a rental is safer than driving my new vehicle, especially through Europe.
Good luck on whatever you decide.
#1275 of 2215 Conquest Incentive
Dec 14, 2011 (6:08 am)
Does anyone know whether the Conquest Incentive will be extended into January? Any new incentives (not previously discussed ) that might come into being at that time? Thanks.
#1276 of 2215 Re: Conquest Incentive [stevemc3]
Dec 14, 2011 (7:11 am)
I would think the 2000 conquest on the 2012's will be extended through the 6th or 7th, and perhaps until the end of January. The Mercedes Benz financial 2000 incentive may drop to 1500, where it was in October. AS for the 1.9% financing, I would think there would be some kind of similar rates.
BUT ONLY MERCEDES BENZ CORPORATE knows for sure what will be available. I am only guessing based on previous years experiences this time of the year.
The only way to be sure is to take advantage of this discount NOW! I would not take the chance that there will be the same incentives 30 days from now. Remember, there is a shortage of E350 sedans throughout the country. Down here in southern Florida, there are 12 Mercedes Benz Dealerships from Palm Beach County to Miami-Dade County, and there are a total of 45 E350's in stock in all those dealerships. What does that tell you? And what do you think that says for January?
I ordered my car in late August, 2011. Arrived at dealer on October 17th. I took advantage of the USAA pricing of invoice +500 less 2000 (net of 1500 under dealer invoice) and a 1500 incentive from Mercedes Benz Financial. Also negotiated 1.6% financing on an 18,000 loan for 66 months (always pays to have a small loan on a Mercedes since MB Financial always has a special incentive for current loan holders or lessees). If I had waiting until November to get the car, I could have saved another $500 since the MB Financial incentive went up 500. I could not "bundle" any other discounts or incentives with USAA except for the MB Financial incentive. But, I got the car I wanted, $3000 below dealer invoice, and have truly enjoyed this new E350 sedan for 2 months now. I am not disappointed at all that I could have saved $500 more.
Never pays to wait if you can get a great price now.
#1277 of 2215 Re: Confusing MB Web Site vs European Delivery [abacomike]
Dec 14, 2011 (9:50 am)
Aren't 17" tires standard on the luxury model?
#1278 of 2215 Re: Confusing MB Web Site vs European Delivery [kevinc5]
Dec 14, 2011 (12:35 pm)
17" inch tires are standard on the Luxury model. My previous question is whether you could get the 17" tires with the 5 spoke design rather than the standard 17" wheels with 8 spokes..... Abacomike--would that still require extensive changes by dealer as you earlier advised? Thanks.
#1279 of 2215 Re: Confusing MB Web Site vs European Delivery [stevemc3]
Dec 14, 2011 (2:49 pm)
I have the 5 double-spoke design AMG wheels which is part of the Wheel Package on the Sport Model with 18" tires (different size for front than the rear).
I do not believe the 5 spoke or 5 double spoke 18" wheels are available on the luxury model. Remember, the 5 spoke (standard on the sport model) and the 5 double-spoke AMG's (optional as part of the wheel package) have different sized front vs. rear wheels.
If you were to have the dealer select a set of wheels for you new car and put them on the car, those new wheels might not have the necessary sensors and may not be in synch with car's computer, and even if the dealer could add sensors and match the sensors to the car's computer, it would be very costly as I mentioned to you for the dealer, which costs would be passed on to you. The only sensible way to get nicer wheels (I agree, the standard 17" wheels on the luxury model are hideous looking) is to order upgraded wheels with your new car as an "option". They have various optional wheels available from the factory. I have an ordering manual for the 2012 E350 Sedan, and noticed several wheel sizes available as an option when you order the car.
I believe you can also get 18" wheels/tires for the luxury as an option (with same size tires/wheels for front and rear).
Avoid trying to find wheels/tires as after-market for your car for the above reasons. Good luck!