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#1227 of 2212 Re: 2011 E350 Sport gas milage [abacomike]
Nov 16, 2011 (9:13 am)
Sorry to be so slow in making a reply;but I spend most of my time on BENZ.ORG. Re.E350. My 2010 would also get to approx 29mpg oh hwy. My 2011 seems to get 5-10 % better milage on both city & hwy. Also best mileage is on 100% gas--NO 10% ethenol. Had to make the same 200 mi trip and had E10. Mileage dropped to 29mpg.
Now have about 1600mi on odo and will post when I have more info.
#1228 of 2212 Re: California E350 Sedan Lease MF and MSDs [rrosenbeca]
Nov 16, 2011 (9:22 am)
Per Ghstudios comment, I'm surprised they didn't make you include the prepaid maintenance as part of the lease deal. I've read here that it's required for new leases. Even if it's not, sounds like a worthwhile investment. If you don't maintain it properly there could be penalties at the end of the lease.
#1229 of 2212 Re: California E350 Sedan Lease MF and MSDs [richardnva]
Nov 16, 2011 (10:27 am)
I believe that they can't require it, by law....that would be a tie in sale. What they can require is that you perform maintenance somehow /somewhere and follow their required maintenance schedule.
However, in my case, they didn't even offer the mercedes maintenance plan, they offered a "better" plan for the same price. However, I found out that it was not residualizeable. I confronted the finance manager (that's the correct word) with the fact that they didn't offer me mercedes maintenance which was residualizable (to my benefit, perhaps not to theirs) and after a brief discussion, they calculated out what the lease would have been with the mercedes maintenance and refunded me the difference. So no, they didn't require it, they didn't even offer it
It may or may not be a worthwhile investment for some....but on my bluetec, I think I effectively paid $200 for the A and B service I'll need during the lease. That does not include bluetec fluid (which I will add myself)...and I might get tire rotation as well....that's hazy but I'm not asking.
#1230 of 2212 Re: California E350 Sedan Lease MF and MSDs [ghstudio]
Nov 16, 2011 (11:24 am)
On a BlueTec (Diesel), maintenance is critical due to the diesel engine (diesels tend to be "dirtier" running engines than gasoline engines). I'm very surprised they did not offer you the maintenance plan, especially in the fianance department, because the finance people (at most dealerships, all finance personnel who present leases, finance contracts and/or title applications, etc., have the title of "finance managers") make a "kick-back" on items sold to the customer such as maintenance, tire/wheel insurance, extended warrantees, and other forms of insurance, etc. In fact, in the dealerships where I was a sales manager, the finance manager(s) is required to present the customer with an AFTER-MARKET menu, which the customer must sign-off on as proof it was presented to the customer! If the finance person makes a commission, remember, the dealership also makes a kick-back as well. Thus, by not offering the Mercedes Benz maintenance plan to a customer, the dealership could be losing opportunities for additional profits, not just the finance person!
Tire rotation is usually a part of the A and B services at most, if not all, dealerships. As a side note, tire rotation inclusion on the sport models is worthless due to the fact that you cannot rotate the tires on the sport models because front tires are a different size than the rear tires.
If the scheduled services can be residualized on a lease, it is definitely worthwhile considering the fact that the cost of an A service is about $325 and a B service is about $400+. This all depends upon the length of your lease and the number of miles you are expecting to drive during the lease term.
#1231 of 2212 Re: 2011 E350 Sport gas milage [greasykid1]
Nov 16, 2011 (11:48 am)
I have 900 miles on the odometer on the 2012 E350 sedan so far, and on Sunday, with an uninterrupted trip on I95 here in south Florida of 135 miles in cruise control at 65mph, I got 33.2 miles per gallon on a round trip. To me, THAT'S PHENOMINAL considering the fact that I owned a 2010 and a 2011 E350 sedan where the best I was able to do was 29 mpg! An increase of 12 - 15% in fuel economy with oil prices sky-rocketing right now at over $103 a barrel is going to pay-off in "spades", to be sure! This new "Blue Efficiency Engine and Transmission" in the E350's has improved fuel economy sustantially (as I stated above) while, at the same time, has increased horsepower by 12% (from 268 to 302) in th 2012's.
Unfortunately, here in Florida, it is almost impossible to get pure gasoline because the state legislature passed an "ethanol" bill under our previous governor requiring all gasoline sold in Florida to have a minimum of 10% ethanol. So long as the federal govenment provides subsidies for ethanol producers, pure gasoline will be difficult, if not impossible, to find here in the state of Florida or most other "flat" states (non-mountainess terrain) like Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, etc.
As for the 2011's over the 2010's, I must have had a poor performing engine in my 2011 in order to get better fuel economy in my 2010 than the 2011.
#1232 of 2212 Re: California E350 Sedan Lease MF and MSDs [abacomike]
Nov 16, 2011 (12:25 pm)
abacomike...they did offer me maintenance, just not mercedes maintenance. The difference is that mercedes maintenance is residualizable and the "better" maintenance package is not. I took the only maintenance package offered for $800...a couple of days later, after stumbling on how mercedes handles maintenance, I pointed out to them that they didn't offer me what I wanted (and I actually was very clear that I only wanted the minimum maintenance) which was the mercedes maintenance plan. Since my residual was 75%, they recalculated as if I had purchased the mercedes package and they refunded me roughly 75% of what I had paid since they couldn't adjust the lease that they had already submitted.
#1233 of 2212 Is this a good price???
Nov 16, 2011 (8:49 pm)
2011 e350 4 matic (new)
MSRP is $58, 235
Selling price is $48, 200
A discount of $10,000. Should I get the 2012 instead?
#1234 of 2212 Re: Is this a good price??? [mrashy2004]
Nov 18, 2011 (11:36 am)
I would as you if you qualify for the "conquest" incentive, the USAA incentive, and/or the Mercedes Benz Financial incentive. If you qualify for one or the other, you could save an additional 2,000 to 4,000 dollars, assuming the price they gave you does not include one or more of these incentives.
The 2012's went up in price about $1000.00 in MSRP. Additionally, the incentives available are as follows on the 2012:
USAA (if a member) incentive is 500 above factory invoice less 2000, or a net of 1500 below invoice. USAA will calculate the invoice price and the net cost of the car for you.
Mercedes Benz financial is offering 1.9% interest for up to 66 months. YOu can even negotiate that rate down a little since they have 1% markup.
Mercedes Benz Financial is also offering an additional 2000 incentive if you curently lease or have a loan with them.
If you don't qualify for any of the above incentives, then you will be paying quite a bit more for the 2012 over the 2011.
I bought my car (MSRP was 62,325) for $55,330 after the USAA incentive and the MB financial incentive (which was 1500 last month). I also got 1.65% interest rate on a 66 month loan (I borrowed 18,000). So, considering most dealers have very little inventory on 2012 sedans right now, I did pretty good. But, with no incentives, I would get the 2011 for 10K off.
I think they still have a conquest incentive, but I am not sure of that.
The only change in the 2012 over the 2011 is the engine and transmission. The new engine is rated 20 city, 30 highway mpg. I'm getting as much as 33 mpg highway right now, which is a big improvement.
I think the 2011 with incentives is a much better deal than you can currenlty get on the 2012.
#1235 of 2212 Re: Is this a good price??? [abacomike]
Nov 18, 2011 (5:36 pm)
Thank you for taking the time to reply.
The offer includes the 4,000 conquest cash. Can I stack it with the 2, 000 Mercedes financial since I have another Benz on a lease?
#1236 of 2212 Re: California E350 Sedan Lease MF and MSDs [ghstudio]
Nov 19, 2011 (7:54 am)
Do you know if they are still giving 4k for conquest on the e63 AMG I have a Lexus and a 2010 E550 an can I use both together? Thanks for any help..