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#1150 of 2212 Re: 2012 E350 Sedan [ghstudio]
Oct 18, 2011 (4:24 am)
Yes, the transmission has a noticeable improvement in smoothness. In my previous E350, there was always a slight "jerk" in the transmission when first starting the car. When I would put in in "D", it kind of "jerked". My service dept. told me it's the same in all the 2010's and 2011's. This is not evident in my new 2012. I do not feel the gear changes as abruptly as I did in my previous car.
I took it out on the highway last night, and my fuel economy, according to the onboard computer, was 32 miles per gallon in cruise control for 25 miles. That's a huge improvement over my 2011, where I was lucky to get 26 mpg in cruise at 65 mph.
I mentioned in my review last night, as you read, that the engine sounds more "throaty". Sounds more like a V8 than a V6 when accelerating. Also, the acceleration is phenominal in comparison to the 2011. This is a car I am going to "KEEP". They have refined the E350 sedan into a sound, superior vehicle with the addition of the new transmission and engine. Also, the sound system is unbelievable with the addition of the two new speakers. Where they put the speakers is a question, but wherever they put them, the sound has improved significantly. It's like being in the studio where they recorded the music. The surround sound is outstanding.
I was lucky I had a previous loan with Mercedes Financial because I got the $1500 incentive discount as well as the 1.65% financing for 66 months (the reason I took out he long term loan is because of the outstanding rate - why not take advantage of it - they reduced the 1.9 rate to 1.65 because I used direct withdrawal from my checking account each month). The USAA incentive was a net of $1500 under actual dealer invoice (The incentive is for $500 over invoice less $2000, or a net of $1500 under invoice).
Another noticeable difference was in the steering. The steering is very "easy" in turning a low speeds, and stiffens up nicely as you increase speed.
I'll post more experiences with the new car after I've had a chance to put more miles on it.
#1151 of 2212 Re: 2012 E350 Sedan [abacomike]
Oct 19, 2011 (8:39 am)
Abacomike, Good to hear you're enjoying your E as much as you are. Sounds like the wait was worth it. Did you get the dealer to tint the windows for you? I don't live in Florida but would still like a light tint to keep the heat out during the summer. Should I roll this cost into my lease or do it as an aftermarket addition? Thanks!
#1152 of 2212 Re: 2012 E350 Sedan [richardnva]
Oct 19, 2011 (12:52 pm)
Do it "aftermarket" or, in other words, pay for it yourself. A fairly good window tint for side and rear windows is about $135-$150, at least down here in Florida. If you put it on your lease (have the dealer install it and charge you back), you will be paying interest on that money, not to mention the fact that you are giving the dealer an opportunity to make some additional profit on you. If the dealer adds it for you and charges you separately on the lease, they will probably charge you $30 to $50 more for the tint than the dealer will pay for it (dealers usually have someone who does all if not most of their window tinting which means they have a bulk price which they might not want to pass on to you). Why pay interest in your lease on it?
As for tinting in general, my 2011 did not have an aftermarket tint on it and I had the car right through the hottest part of the year (June through September), and quite frankly, I really didn't miss the tint. Let me explain why:
First of all, I purchased a sun visor from my dealer for the front windshield (cost me about $65.00). Secondly, the car comes with a rear electric sunshade for the rear window. So, during the heat of the day, when my car is parked, I don't get much direct sun into the car because during the summer, the sun is directly overhead and does not come throug the side windows. I found that the car was no hotter inside than when I had the tinted windows on other cars.
With age (I just turned 67 and am retired) my eyes are not as sharp as they used to be. Night driving is more difficult with the tinted windows, especially in the rear, so I don't get tint.
Hope I answered your questions.
#1153 of 2212 Re: 2012 E350 Sedan [abacomike]
Oct 19, 2011 (6:07 pm)
I'm anxious to get in and drive one! Glad you're loving yours, Mike. Have fun!!!
#1154 of 2212 Re: 2012 E350 Sedan [abacomike]
Oct 20, 2011 (7:54 am)
Thanks for your input.
I am fairly new to the luxury car world ( I have never owned one) and have been looking to lease a 2012 E class sedan 4matic ( in the midwest).
I note you are happy with the 2012 E350 sedan and consider it much better than the 2011 counterpart, which I have test driven.
My understanding of the luxury car since childhood is that it should be smooth and refined in ride and I note you have bought the sport model.
How much difference is there in the ride and comfort for both driver and passengers between a sport and luxury model.
I have only test driven a sport version so far due to it being more readily available on the lot and the ride for me was fine. The dealer says the ratio between sport to luxury is like 9:1.
When I spoke to the dealer who is helping me out, he searched for only luxury models and we could not locate any that matches the colors and options I wanted so I may be forced to order one, which would take many weeks. But if I expanded my search for a sport version I may get one with the options I want, maybe ?.
Also I will probably not qualify for any of the discounts quoted in this forum.
The luxury version I had configured for possible order has an MSRP of $ 61, 875 or so. In negotiating with the dealer how much discounts can I possibly get ?
Any suggestions will be helpful.
#1155 of 2212 Re: 2012 E350 Sedan [sp11]
Oct 20, 2011 (11:13 am)
First of all, about 90% of all E350 Sedans produced are sport models, 10% are luxury models.
Secondly, the sport models have wider wheels/tires, and the tire/wheel sizes are different on the sport (fronts are different than the rears which means you cannot rotate tires on the sport models). On the luxury, the wheels are 17" front and back and tires are the same front to back while on the sport, they are 18".
Thirdly, the ride on the luxury is much softer and luxurious. The ride on the sport model is firmer and the car handles much better than the luxury. I would not purchase a luxury because I like a firmer, more responsive ride, and I like the 18" wheels compared to 17". I don't like the fact that I can't rotate tires, but I guess you have to give up something for better cornering and handling.
All my E350's have been sport models. Much more difficult to find a luxury model due to the reason I outline in the first paragraph or two above.
My new 2012 MSRP'd for $62325.00. I paid $55,000.00 + $599 dealer fee + tax and license/tag registration. There was a $1500 incentive from Mercedes Benz Finance for loyalty with 1.65% rate for 66 months. Then, there was a $2000 incentive through USAA. That was $500 over invoice less the incentive, or $1500 under invoice.
I was very satisfied with the pricing considering the E350 sedan just hit dealerships on Monday.
I am still averaging 33.2 mpg on the high at 65 mph in cruise. That is significantly better than my 26.5 that I got on the 2011.
All in all, I am totally satisfied with the new 2012. Acceleration is phenominal compared to 2011 as is the fuel economy.
Truly, the best E350 sedan I have ever owned (I've had 8 of them since 1987).
#1156 of 2212 Re: 2012 E350 Sedan [abacomike]
Oct 20, 2011 (12:18 pm)
Thanks for your helpful advice.
You mention you paid $ 55,000 plus a few other fees despite MSRP of $62325. Was this the final price taken after the $1500 incentive and $2000 incentives you mention ? Or did you manage to lower the price even further than the $55K due to those incentives you mention.
Also, did you get any other specific discounts to get to the 55K figure like conquest or any other discounts ?
The reason I ask is because I am in the stage for price negotiation and since this is my first luxury car need to know how you arrived at such a good price. On my MSRP which I mention above, the dealer just quoted me split margin 7% with 3.5 % discount. I am not sure if this is a good deal or not.
Congratulations on your new car.
#1157 of 2212 Re: 2012 E350 Sedan [sp11]
Oct 21, 2011 (5:32 am)
3.5% discount on a new E350 (remember, they just came out with this car on Monday of this week), is actually a very good price. Remember, the USAA discount is based upon "invoice" of the vehicle plust $500.00. Invoice was a little over 58.000. Add $500.00 to that, then subtract $2000. Additionally, I received a $1500 incentive discount because I had a loan with Mercedes Benz Financial. Finally, I got a loan for 1.65% for 66 months because I had a previous loan with Mercedes Benz Financial (their rate was 1.99% less a percentage for direct withdrawal from my checking account for the monthly payment).
To the best of my knowledge, that was all I got as a discount.
They gave me 1000.00 more for my trade than Manheim auction prices for the car, which was also outstanding.
The $55,300 price was the final price after all incentive. To that, you add their dealer fee (down here in Florida, most dealers charge a fee, which is PURE PROFIT! If they charge the fee, they must charge all customers the same fee, by law, so that fee cannot be negotiated, however, the dealer, at its discretion, can take that amount off the pre-fee amount, then add the fee back in, if you know what I mean).
So, $55,300, + $599 + doc stamps for the loan, +title fee and tag fees, + sales taxes is what I paid.
Hope that helps you.
#1158 of 2212 Re: 2012 E350 Sedan [sp11]
Oct 21, 2011 (6:35 pm)
I have owned one of each---a Luxury and a Sport model. I'm currently driving a Sport model E350. I prefer the Luxury and am going back to it. It's really a matter of personal preference. As Mike pointed out, the ride of the luxury is smoother and I believe the Luxury cabin is quieter, probably mostly due to the different tires. I don't disagree that the Sport handles better, but the luxury model is no slouch. It corners pretty well at 110 mph on the Autobahn! (We did European delivery---a fabulous experience.) And, I fell in love with the Burl Walnut interior in the luxury and miss it. Sport....Luxury....it's all good. I don't see how you can go wrong with either! Enjoy yours!!
#1159 of 2212 Re: 2012 E350 Sedan [abacomike]
Oct 21, 2011 (6:44 pm)
I'm not seeing invoice prices on Edmunds for: (2012) Premium 1....or Wood/leather steering wheel....or Active multicontour driver seat. Any idea on those or where I could find it?
And...opinion please, is Premium 2 worth the big bucks?
Getting close to making a decision .