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Saab 9-3, Coupe, Convertible
Apr 24, 2002 (11:28 am)
I lease my Saab through Saab credit, but my Dad leases his 2001 Infiniti QX4 through Chase. I remember when we picked my dad's car up, there was a clause in the Chase lease that stated that Chase will cover up to $1500 in damages for needed repairs to the vehicle at lease end. The dealer cited that's one of the reasons they use chase as opposed to Nissan as their leasing company.
#392 of 533 The Replacement Has Arrived
Apr 24, 2002 (11:30 am)
I'm going to pick up my 2001 Honda Prelude Type SH on Saturday. The Prelude will eventually replace my 2000 Saab 9-3 either when the lease is up in December or I hit the magical 36,000 mile mark (At which point my Saab will sit in the driveway until December).
Apr 24, 2002 (2:25 pm)
Well, you took a grilling on the MSRP vs resid. Frankly, I don't care about resids because I bought the (discounted) Saab 9-3 after thorough research - as a keeper and not as a trader.
This is my second Saab. I will be buying more of them, consistent with CarTalk's brand loyalty analysis which ranks Saab 2nd among EU cars.
The other statistic I failed to mention was Saab's supremacy in the "purchase after test drive" statistic, where Saab also leads. Since Saab uses this in advertising, then I would assume Ford or Daimler would jump all over GM were the information incorrect or stated in a misleading fashion.
As well, I'm not going to bother citing who, at Saabnet.com, said what about the Merc. The topic came up - it was discussed - some people with experience driving that Merc weighed in - and the Saab owners left the topic quite some time ago concluding that the Merc, although a fine car, was just plain dull. Considerable discussion was given the lowball price/sales scheme Merc aimed directly at recent grads.
Saabnet.com has a great search engine. If you want, you can look it up for all the time it takes. I don't accept the onus you put on me to look stuff up for you online. My research is done.
Saabers have the highest internet use rate of any vehicle owners and we know our way around chat protocols too. Often, Merc (and many other car type) owners come by weekly looking for a quality ownerboard like we have there.
I have presented two (2) surveys. Each of which is some proof that Saab is a demonstrably exceptional car. If you want to quibble, quibble with someone else.
And for those owners switching off Saab for some other car like Prelude; goodbye and happy motoring. Chances are, you don't live close to the mountains like I do. Chances are, you don't care if your car fails to breath properly (like a Saab Turbo does) at high altitude. See you at Pike's Peak or like altitudes maybe.
BTW: for the other shopper who thought Saab insurance was higher, the other Detroit car we compared when making a decision bore a higher insurance rate than the Saab. I suggest if it comes down to the fine points like that one, each prospective acquirer do his/her own insuance comparison.
Saab is General Motors' only world car. Sales are way up over last year. The 9-5 has distinguished itself by walking away with the JD Power "best" in category.
The latest info is, since the 9-3 is at the end of the model run and no more are being made, it is becoming very difficult to find a 9-3 with a standard shifter and the hatch is being dropped for a time.
I also bought the Saab because I have a dog. Another statistic you may wish to consider is a higher percentage of Saabers have dogs than any other kind of car.
I lead a healthy, active, family lifestyle and I need a car that can, inter alia, pack a wheelbarrow in the boot while closing the trunk and stow 9 garbage bags full of uncompacted leaves for the trip to the compost gathering area in our city. I have a teenager who drives this car. I want my kids protected in a collision. Check out the crash tests - the EU or Aussie crash tests please - not the lower standard US crash tests.
Arf! Arf! 140 miles per hour+ top end (ungoverned) if you want and one of the fastest-accelerating cars from a running 30mph through 70mph reasonable money can buy.
#394 of 533 9-3 pricing
Apr 24, 2002 (3:10 pm)
Forbes April 29th issue, page 58
Sticker price for a 9-3 $27,995.00
Invoice price $26,339.00
Factory to Dealer Cash $4000.00
Dealer Cost $21,480
These numbers make sense, for some of the post paying in the 24-25K range are still giving the dealer 2000-3500 profit on a unit.
Of course the dealers never tell the consumer about the factory to dealer incentives. Saab is giving the Dealers a big plus on this unit now, in about 4-5 months when the new 9-3 starts popping up, thats when the customer will get some good breaks.
#395 of 533 correction smu1976
Apr 24, 2002 (4:27 pm)
Just to your price doesn't include $625 shipping charge, any package(options $1900 up to $2400+), automatic transmission $1200 ,$475 metallic paint, or any dealer fees...
otherwise the number is correct but only to the extend of base only. I think it would be
next to impossible for anyone to walk into a luxury label car dealer to find a Saab with no option. $24K-$25K is probably more like it with options after dealer heavy discount.
#396 of 533 I can do math...
Apr 24, 2002 (8:02 pm)
Take the '05 percentages in the listing of 44% and 52%. Residual values of $14.5k for the MB, $12.3k for the Saab... So the total cost of depreciation would be $1200 less on the Saab...
I think you tripped up slightly on your math. For the Saab, 44% of $24.5K is $10.8K, not $12.3K.
$24.5K minus $10.8K means we've lost $13.7K. For the MB, 52% of $28K is $14.6K, and a loss of $13.4K. So the MB comes out slightly ahead.
Nope, read my post again. 44% of $28k is $12.3... The $24.5k is the selling price on Cars Direct not MSRP. Therefore, my math is correct if the residuals are are based on MSRP...
Apr 25, 2002 (5:36 am)
"And for those owners switching off Saab for some other car like Prelude; goodbye and happy motoring. Chances are, you don't live close to the mountains like I do. Chances are, you don't care if your car fails to breath properly (like a Saab Turbo does) at high altitude. See you at Pike's Peak or like altitudes maybe."
I can't help but take that remark as somewhat of a personal attack. If you've followed this board, you'll see that I have had nothing but positive things to say about my Saab. I did buy my Saab because of the test drive I went on. I was also treated respectfully by the salesman. I love the versatility of the hatchback. The exhaust has a great note under hard acceleration. I love how the Turbo is so well engineered into the engine that it produces pretty much zero lag. My Base 9-3 never runs out of breath and always seems to be able to go faster. It is a rock solid highway cruiser. The seats are comfortable. The leather is very high quality. The steering is well weighted and communicative. The car handles well (except those damn stock tires pitch and howl way before the limits of the chassis). The heated seats are great. The AC Blows real cold and the car heats up relatively quick in the winter.
When I bought my Saab, I needed a FWD (or AWD) car with a slushbox. I was trying (In late 1999) to decide between a Passat V6 or Accord EX-V6. I saw the nationally advertised lease deal for the Base 9-3s at the time and went for a test drive. It was a much better car to drive than the other 2, it was more expensive, and much cheaper to lease.
I'm 26, live in New York City (read: not near the mountains like yourself) and don't need a 4 door car, so I opted to go for a Prelude which has been a car that I've wanted to own ever since 1992.
Apr 25, 2002 (6:48 am)
No worries. You have indeed spoken highly of your experience with the 9-3 and I'm glad for that. Edmunds too often acts as a trash board so I'm fighting back. If I sound surly, that's why. No personal offence intended.
By the time you tire of the Prelude, wich is a spiffy, reputedly reliable car, the 9X or the 9-3X may be just what your needs then say you should have and you will return to Saab.
These new 9s are exciting concept cars and Saab's announced five new entries in the ensuing five years should stir the autowriters, who on the whole have not been kind to the 900s or the 9-3s.
I'm not a great fan of _ANY_ SUVs (except for large family or industrial use) so Saab can skip that entry as far as I'm concerned.
Apr 25, 2002 (7:19 am)
I actually plan to keep the Prelude until I need another can and then keep it as a 3rd car. I'll definitely consider whatever the replacement is of the 9-3. I'm not a Saab Die Hard Fan, I haven't found a car to become brand loyal to. I'd definitely consider the 9-5 Wagon (Hopefully an Aero with a Stick) when the time comes that I need a Wagon. I'd rather have a sport Wagon than a minivan or SUV. No offense taken. Way too often people use the Edmunds boards for bashing. In the case of Jas28 & Huntzinger...they both have legitimate beefs with their respective Saabs.
Apr 25, 2002 (1:57 pm)
Saabnet.com has a great search engine. If you want, you can look it up for all the time it takes.
Already done. Saabnet does not substantiate your claim. Now what?
I don't accept the onus you put on me to look stuff up for you online.
In other words, you're suggesting I do my homework first. I don't want to be rude and confrontational, but had you followed your own advice, you would have found that as I had mentioned, I had already done these archive searches posted the results in direct response to your post on the "9-3 vs. C230" ... a week ago.
Now to resolve the actual question instead of arguing, what you said isn't archived on Saabnet. As such, could it be that you had mis-recalled the source and that it was something other than Saabnet?
Frankly, I don't care about resids because I bought the (discounted) Saab 9-3 after thorough research - as a keeper and not as a trader.
That was my original intent too. Things change.