Saab 9-3 Coupe (2002 and earlier)

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What is this discussion about? Saab 9-3, Coupe, Convertible

#375 of 533 Does Saab hold up? by spider6

Apr 22, 2002 (9:15 am)

Ok, ok thanks for the answers. I understand on the opinion on Edmund's Townhall is valuable
stuff when considering purchasing a new car. I also understand people tend to voice dissatisfaction over satisfaction more. So does this mean that the complains on this 9-3 represents a small number of people over all? Also, I noticed that most of the people here who are not happy with their Saabs or 9-3s are owners of Saab from early 90s or 3-4 years ago, if
I remember correctly the Consumer Reports on reliability during these periods were pretty bad
for Saab. The 2002 Consumer Report currently on the news stand had 9-3 just below 9-5 in
terms of reliability and it is actually above average into good territory. Also, Consumer Reports
did not recommend this car, one of the explanation I read from the magazine was they would
recommend a car if it has been both in above average in reliability and tested recently. Well
the last time 9-3 was tested was in early 1999 which is 3 years before so I take it as that
Consumer Report would have probably recommended this car if it had been tested this year.
Do you all agree? Any 2001 or 2002 9-3 owners out there? Are you happy or pissed at your
car purchase? How is resale value on your cars? The Consumer Report has an average rating
on the 2002 magazine. By the way, I am an owner of two new Japanese cars(before and presently), 95 Altima and 00 Pathfinder. Both had things gone wrong, Altima has it headlights
replaced the first week I got it due to seal leakage, stereo head unit was replaced but later
I found out it was just a cheapo nothing wrong with it, fuel sensor gone bad replaced, and
rear suspension stabilizer bar bent and rubbing against axle that had to be adjusted to get rid
of squeaks but never completely get rid of the squeak. Finally my 00 Pathfinder had its
Homelink replaced due to failure at 30K mile, and rear hatch squeaks but fixed completely when
applied silicone spray on the rubber feet, other than that both cars have been no problems whatsoever. This kind of repair I can tolerate and put up with, are the Saabs much worth???

#376 of 533 spider6 by huntzinger

Apr 22, 2002 (9:22 am)

I treat my car well
 
I might not wash & wax it as often as I should, but that shouldn't affect mechanicals.
 
Insofar as body flex squeaks, I didn't really have any complaints... except on very cold days, then there was a real creaky groaner for the first ~5 miles. I always thought that it was quite odd that a car from a Scandinavian country (allegedly) would be so "allergic" to the cold.
 
OTOH, I didn't appreciate it one bit when my first clutch failed (36K miles) and the service rep suggested "Perhaps you flogged your car?". My response was that the car I had traded in had been flogged to within an inch of its life every day of its life, yet it still had its original clutch at 11 years of age and 100+K miles. That's when he blushed, realizing that he had been caught.
 
-hh

#377 of 533 Love my 2001 9-3 base imola red leather 5-speed by sbb

Apr 22, 2002 (1:35 pm)

I only have 7000 miles, but have not had a problem EXCEPT a small radio problem, where it had to be replaced.
 
It

#378 of 533 advice, please by jbeckr

Apr 22, 2002 (3:49 pm)

We are about to return our 9-3 at the end of its lease. There is a dent in the left front fender, and we will also pay an excess mileage charge. About 5000 miles over the limit. The estimate for the dent repair was $500. The car is leased from Chase. We don't know if we should get the dent repaired before turning it in, or to take the charge. We are not interested in buying the car, we need one with an outomatic transmission. This car has a 5-speed.
 
Should I call Chase to make an appointment? Ask the dealer for help? What do you think?

#379 of 533 jbecker by jas28

Apr 22, 2002 (4:36 pm)

I just got my lease end guide from Saab (not Chase) and their statement was any dent less than an inch long is acceptable.

#380 of 533 to spirder6 by vigorous

Apr 22, 2002 (4:59 pm)

This one's for you:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1470000/1470045.stm [note that this is for the 1999 - a two year old car at the time of the test.]

Consumers probably withholds a recommendation as well based on the fact that a new chassis for the Saab is due in 2003. Why would they recommend a car whose body style is just about to change?

OTOH, Saab is dropping the hatch from the 9-3 lineup for the first year+, a really dumb move as the Saab is the King of hatchbacks and people are just moving into hatches and mini-station wagons in the smaller cars.

Resale can't be too bad if, as is the current wisdom, leaseholders are not getting breaks on the Saab Leasing option purchase price for returns. The leasing company is holding firm to the price they set when lessees leased their cars.

On the squeaks in cold temperatures for 5-10 minutes, this has been diagnosed as a bushing lube problem (2 hrs work max) and is covered under warranty. Some have had squeaks from the rear seating area but stuffing a small towell on the seat catch fixes that one.

#381 of 533 My test drive of 9-3 SE Auto by spider6

Apr 22, 2002 (6:06 pm)

Hello everyone, just test drove a 9-3 this afternoon. To put into a single thought:
I don't dislike the car but I didn't get swept off my feet either. I was eager to drive this car since everyone mentioned how true it is that "most people who drives one brought one". I really wanted to like it but here are some of my thoughts after a brief 20 minutes in the
city and some on the highway. This car is very quite in city speed almost V6 like, at least muted , and I didn't noticed any major wind noises on the highway. Whoever mentioned wind noises must be going 90-100 per hour, then again how many of us are going risk a huge fine
and safety for that. The steering wheel does not tilt and that kinda got to me, I am used to lower the wheel to get it out of my way, may be I am sitting to low. The car is fairly nimble but it is no BMW or Merc, my cousin owns a Bimmer 5 and it is extremely responsive to steering input and it was only a base model 528. My father's Merc C(new) is extremely sporty very linear and very nimble to say the least. The 9-3 is good but it has a different feel that I am not used to I guess, I didn't really see or feel the benefit of Sport Steering and Sport Chassis(part of Prem Pkg). Finally, I am confused on the feel of the speed in this car, it feels slower that it is going.
I was doing 45 or 50 but I felt like it needs to pick up some speed while driving in the city. I expected no turbo lag but there was on take off. For example, several times when I came to a complete stop and give it some gas to merge into traffic or highway, this car hesitates just a second or two before some power coming on, it give the car a rather weak feel on take off, once some RPM is build up there is a strong but abrupt surge of power coming on, and it
left the traffic in rear view mirror. The whole experience has been brand new to me, yes it is quite(unless you step on the gas hard), yes it feels not so "sporty" but heavy at times, and yes it will go like a little rocket when turbo is coming on. I wanted to like the Saab 9-3 but I am rather de-puffed, are all of these feelings part of Saab's quirks to get use to??? So basically, after the test drive it didn't really sold me on it. Are there anyone who is brand new to buying a Saab and how was your first test drive? Sorry if I sounded somewhat negative that's not my intent, trying to be as honest as possible.

#382 of 533 Test Drive by hppypaul

Apr 22, 2002 (6:49 pm)

Spider6
 
I knew immediately after my test drive that this was the car for me. I've always had VWs and like a european feel. the 9-3 does take getting used to, but now after 40k( with only some minor stuff) the car just gets more and more fun to drive and faster every day. My SE feels like a rocket with little to no noticeable lag and great handling. I find that it's extremely well balanced and a perfect compromise between all out sport and practicality. Try a BMW in the snow and you'll see what I mean.
 
Does the auto in your title mean you only tried and automatic. If so, don't bother. you have to get a stick. no car is any fun without it. good luck with your shopping

#383 of 533 My test drive of 9-3 SE Auto by spider6

Apr 22, 2002 (6:53 pm)

Hello everyone, just test drove a 9-3 this afternoon. To put into a single thought:
I don't dislike the car but I didn't get swept off my feet either. I was eager to drive this car since everyone mentioned how true it is that "most people who drives one brought one". I really wanted to like it but here are some of my thoughts after a brief 20 minutes in the
city and some on the highway. This car is very quite in city speed almost V6 like, at least muted , and I didn't noticed any major wind noises on the highway. Whoever mentioned wind noises must be going 90-100 per hour, then again how many of us are going risk a huge fine
and safety for that. The steering wheel does not tilt and that kinda got to me, I am used to lower the wheel to get it out of my way, may be I am sitting to low. The car is fairly nimble but it is no BMW or Merc, my cousin owns a Bimmer 5 and it is extremely responsive to steering input and it was only a base model 528. My father's Merc C(new) is extremely sporty very linear and very nimble to say the least. The 9-3 is good but it has a different feel that I am not used to I guess, I didn't really see or feel the benefit of Sport Steering and Sport Chassis(part of Prem Pkg). Finally, I am confused on the feel of the speed in this car, it feels slower that it is going.
I was doing 45 or 50 but I felt like it needs to pick up some speed while driving in the city. I expected no turbo lag but there was on take off. For example, several times when I came to a complete stop and give it some gas to merge into traffic or highway, this car hesitates just a second or two before some power coming on, it give the car a rather weak feel on take off, once some RPM is build up there is a strong but abrupt surge of power coming on, and it
left the traffic in rear view mirror. The whole experience has been brand new to me, yes it is quite(unless you step on the gas hard), yes it feels not so "sporty" but heavy at times, and yes it will go like a little rocket when turbo is coming on. I wanted to like the Saab 9-3 but I am rather de-puffed, are all of these feelings part of Saab's quirks to get use to??? So basically, after the test drive it didn't really sold me on it. Are there anyone who is brand new to buying a Saab and how was your first test drive? Sorry if I sounded somewhat negative that's not my intent, trying to be as honest as possible.

#384 of 533 to spirder6 by vigorous by huntzinger

Apr 23, 2002 (5:43 am)

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Be very, very careful when quoting statistics.

For example, in the URL provided, CR received nearly 34,000 surveys that canvassed 81 vehicles. If each vehicle was equally represented, that's only 419 surveys per automobile. Given the price range, the odds are very high that the niche and more expensive than average vehicles such as the 9-3 would have had statistically fewer respondents than other, more mainstream, vehicles.

Nevertheless, if we assume a purely average sample of 419, the report of zero failures yields a Reliability of ~99.4% at a 90% Confidence (MTBF = ~181). This is not really all that far removed from the next few groups on the upper end of the list, and not really significant enough for a well-informed person to get strongly worked up about as supposedly being profound.

And given that the severity of the repair (and thus, need) was not provided in this report summary, we proverbially don't know if the repair was for a dead battery or a blown engine, so more information is needed before we really try to draw any definitive conclusions.

Resale can't be too bad if, as is the current wisdom, leaseholders are not getting breaks on the Saab Leasing option purchase price for returns. The leasing company is holding firm to the price they set when lessees leased their cars.

Not necessarily. For example, the company could be strategically choosing to prop up used car prices.

FWIW, what I found when I sold my Saab earlier this year is that it is a niche product which increases its marketplace value variability (generally down). If Saabs are "not hot", you can very easily lose a $K's in resale value in a soft market.

I also found that my local Dealerships use the Galves Wholesale Guide as their cost reference, and this publication was consistently 20-30% lower than the lowest numbers that Kelley's or Edmunds' reports. FWIW, I see that Edmund's is still claiming a 15% higher value than what was in the Galves report from a third of a year ago (Jan 02), and if both are adjusted for condition, options and mileage, the discrepancy increases to 30%. The gap between my expectations for what I thought I could get for my car and what I was actually able to get ended up being significantly greater than what I was expecting.

-hh

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