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Nissan Maxima, Honda Accord, Sedan
#368 of 574 Buy a plane
Mar 18, 2003 (8:19 pm)
History showed that governments and companies don't change their policies for decades. From my point of view the 1997 Maxima I owned was not a different car from what the Maxima is today. I don't care they made them more powerful. What matters to me is the feeling of perfection. The feeling I had with my 1994 and 2001 Accords was that the car was glued to ground at any speed. Driving my Maxima at high speed I felt disconnected, like I was on a plane almost taking off. Or perhaps this is what you call "engaging car to drive". Better buy a small plane. It's certainly more powerful than your Maxima and it really takes off !
Seriously, you cannot compare the Accord's double wishbone front wheels suspension with Maxima's cheap McPherson struts. You cannot compare Accord's rear independent suspension with Maxima's broom stick who connects the rear wheels. Why put a great V6 on that structure I can't understand. Obviously it takes off !
By the way, talking about perfection, can one of the new manual transmission Maxima owners try to drive it in the 1st gear and oscillate around 1500 RPM. I tried this in 2001 when I was shopping for a Maxima or Accord and it was jumping back and forth like somebody was rear ending me. I am curious if they fixed it. Nissan called it the fuel-cut problem and the lady dealer explained to me that it's done on purpose to save gas. I tried the Accord and it didn't jump like that. It's not thirsty though. About the stick, does it feel like connected to the gear box with some kind of elastics ? And the finger moving inside the gear box (to switch gears) feels like a screwdriver moving inside a pile of rocks ?
The Accord inherited anything Honda ever learned at the car races they fought. Except the engine block. Finally out discussion is useless. Take the VQ engine block and put it in an Accord and you get the best car. If not learn to live with mediocrity. Sooner or later we all have to learn it.
#369 of 574 Octane Rating
Mar 18, 2003 (9:47 pm)
The Maxima's engine is designed to run on Unleaded Premium (91 octane). The instruction manual (for 02 Maxima) states if unleaded premium is not available, unleaded regular can be used. Granted, the instruction manual also states that unleaded premium should be used for maximum performance. Weighing these two comments and taking into account some of you have stated that you are currently using unleaded regular, I see no problem with this for the short term. However, I question whether doing this over the long term is good for the engine. Using lower octane gas will cause the engine to retard the timing to avoid knocking. I have heard (from a mechanic) that this is not good for the engine if it is having to do this on a frequent basis. Any thoughts?
Mar 19, 2003 (6:48 am)
"History showed that governments and companies don't change their policies for decades. From my point of view the 1997 Maxima I owned was not a different car from what the Maxima is today"
You are wrong, the 1997 was a totally different car than the current Maxima, and the company has gone through a total overhaul in the ealry 2000's.
Let's talk about tranmissions, Honda can't seem to build a good automatic transmission. My old '89 Civic jerked you abruptly when the car shifted between first and second. I test drove a 2000 Accord auto when I was shopping for my next car and Honda still has not fixed the problem. Honda makes a good stick shift, but what's the use, since you can't get it on a V6 sedan. Your only choice is Nissan here. BTW...the 2004 Maxima uses a close ratio 6 speed tranny (taken from the 350Z), that you can't even get on an Accord sedan.
Let's talk suspensions. Sure, the Accord suspension is more sophisticated, more expensive. But it is tuned for "boredom", the ride totally aliantes the driver from an enjoyable driving experience. I don't care how much the suspension costs, the suspension tunning on the Maxima is just head over heels more enjoyable to drive than a Camry or Accord. Anyway...all of suspension talk is moot since the 2004 Maxima comes with a fully independent suspension.
#371 of 574 What to do, what to do
Mar 19, 2003 (11:05 am)
I've been reading the boards on this fantastic website for a few months now in an attempt to come to a decision between the 2003 Accord EX V-6 and the Maxima GXE or SE (can't afford the GLE). And the more I read the more confused I become.
Postiives for the Accord include an excellent reputation for reliability and safety. Fuel economy is pretty good for a V-6. The interior is nicely laid out and the seats are comfortable. And resale values are very good (although I plan on keeping my new car for 5-8 years). Negatives include the styling (awful back end), it rides like my wife's Odyssey (I'd like something a little more "fun" to drive), and it's pretty expensive relative to my budget ($22-24K).
Positives for the Maxima include the the styling (I love this car), the award winning engine, and the currently low prices for the '03s. The negatives for this car are poorer than expected gas mileage, premium gas requirement, lack of side and curtain air bags, paint problems, and the overall cost to maintain the car including insurance and the famous headlight theft problems.
Maybe I should try and hold out and find an '03 GLE at a rock bottom clearance price so I could get the side airbags and traction control (very concerned about safety).
Bottom line is I'm looking for a sporty sedan that I can haul my young family around in that is still fun to drive and is safe.
My head says Accord, my heart says Maxima.
Mar 19, 2003 (11:22 am)
Go with the car you enjoy more, after all you will have to drive that car for at least 5 years. If you go with a 03 Maxima keep in mind that you should be able to get invoice or below on the outgoing model.
Mar 19, 2003 (2:47 pm)
If safety is your number one concern, go to www.highwaysafety.com
Also, if safety is very important to you, I do not recommend a maxima. Try volvos, volkswagen, lexus, mercedes, toyota, 04 accord. If your budget is around 25k, I would recommend you buying a used 2000+ mercedes E class or C class with low milage. Those cars are built like a tank.
If you're going to drive a car to the bottom, then there's no point in worrying about resale value.
The SE comes with SIDE AIRBAGS as an option. IT is the titanium edition option. I don't recommend the GLE. The transmission isn't as responsive as the SE. Also, for the price of GLE, you can probably haggle 8 hours at an Infiniti dealer for a I35 for the same price as the GLE, AND they'll have better service then the nissan dealers.
#375 of 574 accord = $$ maxima = $$$$
Mar 19, 2003 (2:49 pm)
Come on guys stop aruging about the freakin accord vs maxima. It's pretty hard to compare the 2003 accord with the 04 maxima. The price difference is ALMOST 10,000 after the options. Might as well wait for the 2004 acura tl and then compare it to the maxima.
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Mar 19, 2003 (4:22 pm)
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Mar 19, 2003 (11:32 pm)
When you said "current" Maxima, were you referring to the '03 or '04? If you meant the '03, then I'd say there's not a whole lot of difference between that the '97. Just more power, a few of luxury items -- and more torque steer. Nissan more or less just tweaked the styling from 1999 - 2000.