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Jaguar XJ-Series, Sedan
#2260 of 2806 My ''04 XJR is a shoddy unreliable hunk of junk
Sep 24, 2005 (1:57 pm)
I have 2004 "new generation" aluminum XJR.
Here is my honest impression of this car after driving it about 47,000 miles....
This car is fast, drives wonderfully and gets incredible fuel economy. That is the good news.
The bad news is that my 2004 XJR has been a problem from the start. The problems with my car are numerous and recurring. Every system from cruise control, to locks, to power accessories, to steering gear, to differential, to suspension, have had problems. Even the interior leather trim has de-laminated. I have had loaner cars out from the dealership for overnight and long stays at the dealership for approximately 30 days over the past two years!
They claim that mine is the one bad example, but Jaguar has not taken any effort to help me. They have stuck me with a 78,000 dollar piece of unreliable garbage.
Email me if you have any questions. This is not an exaggeration. These cars are really poorly built and unreliable. This is really a horribly built vehicle.
#2261 of 2806 Re: My ''04 XJR is a shoddy unreliable hunk of junk [fenn]
Sep 24, 2005 (5:07 pm)
I'm not arguing with you about your car. But it sounds like a bad case of "new model first year glitches" in your case. I've not ever heard of another XJ being such a lemon.
Sep 25, 2005 (8:47 pm)
I agree with nvbanker on this one. I've chatted with numverous XJ owners and they like their cars.
#2263 of 2806 Re: cars [xkss]
Sep 27, 2005 (9:07 pm)
It seems that even if you got a below invoice deal, on an 06, that you would always still get killed by depreciation.
The 06 XJ seems like a great 50 thousand dollar car.
#2264 of 2806 Re: cars [edkunkel]
Sep 28, 2005 (8:51 am)
Which is why I'd be in the market for an 05, most likely.
#2265 of 2806 Re: cars [xkss] XJR LEMON RESPONSE
Sep 28, 2005 (11:12 am)
I know about first year issues with a new model, but my problems go way beyond those things..
I am realistic. To have a few electrical glitches and adjustments is not beyond the realm of expectations with a new model car, but to have so many other major issues is quite different. I have to say that I have had everything from a bad rear end differential, to inoperative electrical systems, to inoperative door locks, to a bad rack and pinion steering rack, to a peeling/de-laminated leather on the interior, and so,so, many other things, is very hard to stomach. Many of these seem to be recurring issues -- and I still get error messages galore from the car's message center. After at least 20 visits to the dealer, and having driven their loaner cars for a total of over 30 days in the last two years, it gets to be a bit crazy...Yikes!.
Hey, I wanted to love this car. It really has many virtues, but it is badly flawed in its execution. Maybe mine is a lemon, but I am not alone. I know two other XJR owners that have complaints too. One of them was smart enough to retain legal counsel and got out of it under California Lemon Law, but I was a sucker and lived with it for too long to get this relief under the normal Lemon Law statute. By the way, he is now driving a Maserati Quattroporte, which he says is much more solid and reliable....
So, I agree that the first year vehicle glitches are something to acknowledge, but my car is so problematic in multiple areas that I have a hard time overlooking many of these problems and flaws. I cannot help but see them as systemic to these cars. Others may not have put enough miles on theirs to see the real long term issues as these cars grow older ---But, I have almost 48,000 miles on mine so I am a pretty good test pilot.......but, mine has been a turd since the beginning. At some point you would think that everything that can go wrong with this car has already happened, but this crap just keeps on happening!
I am upset that Jaguar is so non-responsive too. They are happy to let me hang out to dry on this. This is a 36 month lease, so due to all of my problems, I asked Jaguar to help me get out of this car at 24 months and offered to pay new drive off fees to get into fresh car, but they have not extended themselves. I am now at the end of the warranty with a car that I cannot trust.
By the way, I also asked Jaguar if they could offer me some extended warranty coverage due to my countless problems, which they also denied. I was trying to give them a chance to restore my confidence, but they seem uninterested in helping me in any way.
I am happy to provide any interested folks who are considering this car the full low-down and further details. I am not a crazy finnicky driver. I am just a frustrated automobile enthusiast who has been paying almost $1000 per month to drive a piece of garbage that sits in the shop all of the time ...This is a horrible car and Jaguar is an irresponsible company.
Furthermore, please note the the 2006 Jaguars will not even have the scheduled service visits covered any longer. Meanwhile other luxury brands like BMW give scheduled service and cover brake pads. I can not see any reason to expose anybody to the potential problems with these Jaguars. I suggest that folks avoid these cars like the plague.
#2266 of 2806 Avoid them like the plague?
Sep 28, 2005 (11:46 am)
Look, you must make some allowance that yours is perhaps an anomoly, don't you? There are a lot of satisfied XJ owners out there who have no trouble - they post here too. If they were all as bad as yours, nobody would ever buy one. That's not happening. Jag should step up for you, that's wrong. And I can see why you wouldn't buy another, but really - plague? I have a nephew who feels the same way about Explorers. He had a great one, then bought one that was horrible. It's the best selling SUV in the country - they can't all be bad. No one would buy them. He had a lemon, and that's unf\ortunate. Perhaps you do too.
#2267 of 2806 Re: cars [xkss] XJR LEMON RESPONSE [fenn]
Sep 28, 2005 (6:55 pm)
What about asking Jag to CPO it for you when it comes off lease? (You turn it in to the bank that leased it from Jag. Then you buy it for the residual and they throw in the 6 year, 100,000 warranty for no charge.)
#2268 of 2806 Re: Avoid them like the plague? [nvbanker]
Sep 29, 2005 (9:12 am)
Agree to the unit being an anomoly, but what takes me out of the mood for an XJ8 is the lack of Jaguar corporate support demonstrated in this case. Is it because it is leased, not owned by the driver? Should not the dealer and leasing agent get involved? What enables Jag Corp. to let me hang out to dry?
From what is told Jag Corp. is not practicing evangelical business methods.
#2269 of 2806 Re: Avoid them like the plague? [euphonium]
Sep 29, 2005 (6:51 pm)
What would you like Jag to do? They have fixed every defect, I understand, under warranty. That's the contract. You want them to buy it back? They will - at lease end. The car's a lemon - but unless the owner has sued under the lemon law, Jag seems to have done what every other company pretty much does in this case - fix the car.