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Mazda Protege, Sedan
Dec 14, 2001 (2:02 pm)
Mazda reliability varies with model, IMHO. The Proteges are all quite reliable, and the 97-98 models should be very good. My fiancee and I leased a 98 626 LX 5 spd (we had to lease, otherwise we would have bought it), and it gave us flawless service for 3 yrs/36k mi-didn't go to the dealer even once for anything. My 1993 Mazda MX6 is pretty much rock solid except for tie-rod ends that needed replacing. It's got 126k mi on it. It's also 5 spd. Mazda used some ford automatic transmissions in their 626s, but I'm pretty sure the Protege's use Mazda automatics.
#6628 of 24043 Greg...congrats.
Dec 14, 2001 (2:08 pm)
It won't be too long before she starts asking for your Pro! My daughter (Sidney, BTW) started inquiring at about age 6 (~2yrs ago).
#6629 of 24043 Mazda reliability.
Dec 14, 2001 (2:12 pm)
Depends on the content, as narenji mentioned. The least reliable models tend to be those that use Ford hardware (626 with Ford A/T, B-series trucks, Tribute etc.).
M/T 626s and all Pros have been as reliable as Accords, Civics, Corollas and Camrys.
Honda and Toyota have their off-models too (such as the Isuzu-derived SUV and minivans that Honda used to sell, and some think Toyota engines tend to create sludge in the motor oil...I think there's a board on Edmunds that discusses that subject).
#6630 of 24043 Naren...
Dec 14, 2001 (2:13 pm)
I have wanted a Jetta since they came out for the 1999 model year. I have always liked the way they looked and all, but wouldn't get one because of their short warranty and lackluster reliability claims. The warranty was beefed up for 2002, and their reliability has improved of late too. So I figured, why not take the plunge now?
About the 626 auto., my co-worker has a 1996. He said the tranny went out at 50K miles and 4 years old. He fought with Mazda, and they replaced it. He also said the car burns oil like crazy. The scary thing is that the 2.0 engine from the 626 is the same one used in the Protege now.
#6631 of 24043 Used older Pros - dan175 and other person who asked ...
Dec 14, 2001 (2:58 pm)
FWIW, I've had a 95 Auto Pro DX (1.5l) for almost 2 years, and have put about 15K on it (including 3.5K over the last couple of weeks - long cross country road trip and 100 mile daily round trip commute!). Its been flawless (pretty much - had the CV joints replaced because I was foolhardy enough to do some off-roading - up Pikes Peak in Colorado!)
No problems on my recent (last week) road trip either, and it was loaded to the nines, and had two people in it. The power is adequate for freeway mreging and overtaking, lthough you may want to consider an ES (stronger engine) if you do much backcountry or two-lane driving.
I can vouch for the reliability of my car, and a coupe (93, 97) belonging to other friends and acquaintances. I know more people with problematic Corollas and Civics
so if you can get a good deal, and inspect teh car well before you buy (this is a must for a used car purchase), the protege will give you years of flawless service, as I expect mine to!
#6632 of 24043 Overdrive (Aaargh!, yet again!)
Dec 14, 2001 (3:04 pm)
By definition, overdrive is a gear in which the driving cog (in your gear system) does less revolutions than the driven cog (which turns the wheels). the gear ratio is below 1.0. For comparison, the gear ratio in first gear is about 3.5 on average, and drops progressively through the gear numbers.
(ALMOST) All cars have an overdrive, either as the highest automatic gear (4th) or as the 5th gear or 6th in a manual. BMW 3-series have a 5 speed automatic with overdrive (5th gear) but the manual gearbox has 5th at a 1.00 ratio, with no torque conversion or power loss. The car is revv happy even in 5th at speeds above 60, and you can pass without downshifting even in a 325, which is a 174 (approx?) HP Inline 6 cylinder engine.
So car manufacturers would do better to label the automatic gear shift level as 1 (only 1st gear available), 2 (ONLY 2nd), D3 (1, 2, 3 available) and D4 (1, 2, 3, 4). D4 is the normal Drive position in automatic proteges, and hitting the OD button makes Gear number 4 unavilable. So ONLY if you are already in 4th gear, it will kick down to 3rd (which has a ratio of around 1.2+). Otherwise yuo will notice no difference in driving and shifting characteristics around town (if you were in 1,2,3 when you turned O/D off).
Also, Meade (and others) with a stickshift - your 5th gear IS an overdrive!
(Ok, getting of soapbox now)
So when you drive on the freeway and want to do a quick overtake or merge, turn off OD making 3rd your top gear - raising engine speds for corresponding road speeds, and keeping the engine revving happily in its most satisfying torque band (it really sounds happy when you let it rev at about 60mph in 3rd - I don't have a rpm meter, so i don't know ho high the revs get). For good ful mileage (city or highway), leave 4th gear available (ie don't turn O/D off - the light must stay unlit on the dash)
#6633 of 24043 Road trip report as promised - and one casualty
Dec 14, 2001 (3:12 pm)
On a freezing old night somehwre in Kansas (that sounds awful!) - my trunk lock would not turn with the key and I forced it 9It may have been inserted at a bad angle) and the key got bent and disfigured. The key was the only casualty in the car on the whole road trip. I had a spare key (always do) and that worked fine!
Also, I averaged about 30-32 mpg, dependin on inclines, traffic, speeds etc. I did get a tank of 34+ when the speed limits drop (the smaller engine is more frugal at 60mph, than at 85+). I stuck to big brand gas stations all along the way, except in St Louis, when we took a wrong exit and ended up in a relatively bad neighbourhood with prepay, cash only!
All in all, a blurry fast road trip, and I wish i had more time - although I stopped in
Denver Boulder - 1.5 days
Kansas City - amazing BBQ for lunch, bought lots of sauce
St louis - hit the clubs and a casino downtown
NJ - met up with some of my folks
Finally getting to DC on the 9th, and starting work on the 10th. Incidentally, the cars been doing great for my first week at work - have a 50 mile commute along the beltway, with many wet days etc.
Now I've found an partment nearer work (NoVA) and was curious if anyone had sugegstions for checkups I should have done for the car - I already did a fluid check and oil change.
Dec 14, 2001 (4:36 pm)
At 88k, my '93 626 (since traded) was consuming insignificant amounts of oil - by which is meant that it was never necessary to add a quart between changes (which I generally did at 2500-3000 miles).
On the Anecdotal Evidence tote board, it's now 1-1.
#6635 of 24043 Anecdotal evidence tote board
Dec 14, 2001 (5:02 pm)
Unlike the Mazda 2.0L, the VW 2.0L does have a documented history of what some would call excessive oil consumption. That is not anecdotal.