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#5128 of 24043 MAPP II -- TOMORROW!!!
Oct 05, 2001 (4:21 am)
Here's an update to make the rest of you green with envy.
Tomorrow morning, at a park in Northern Virginia, 13 Proteges representing model years 1993 through 2002 (including a P5) will roll in, one by one, their freshly waxed bodies glistening from a morning drive in the drizzle (dammit). As the clouds break around noon and the sun comes out, sixteen new friends from as far north as Danbury, Connecticut, as far south as Norfolk, Virginia, and as far west as Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, will be chowing down on burgers, hot dogs, ham biscuits and crab somethings (from Paul), wearing their new Edmunds T-shirts.
Hey guys, I just had a cool idea that would make one hell of a photo -- since it'll be raining in the morning and we'll all arrive with our cars spotted up, why don't we all descend on that local self-service carwash after lunch en masse? Can you imagine the sight of THIRTEEN Proteges showing up, all in a line, to use the carwash?
And since there's a Mazda dealership between the park and the carwash, we could all convoy to the dealership too! What a sight that would make -- especially if there are customers there, which there should be on a Saturday afternoon! Imagine the look on the salespeoples' faces as we all park in a big mass in front of the dealership!
Whaddaya think? This is going to be too much fun!
#5129 of 24043 To all MAPP II drivers and guests...
Oct 05, 2001 (4:43 am)
Just curious... what is the age range for this event?
I've got 29, 34, & 15.
#5130 of 24043 ABS, Cruise Ctrl, and stuff
Oct 05, 2001 (4:48 am)
Mornin' everyone from rainy T.O.!
On the ABS front, all I have to say it's that I would have taken ABS in my Pro, but not for $1000 as an option or part of some $2500 package. If it were under $500 I would have gotten it (is that proper Eng?). I refuse to pay more than that for a feature that is needed if you're not careful when driving. Sure if it's snowing and you're talking on a cell phone while drinking your coffee and changing CD's at the same time, you should consider it. Otherwise, if you pay attention to the road, scan around you and keep a fair distance from the car in front, ABS is useless. And when it's dry, it's actually worse than just regular brakes (but we all knew that anyway). Point is I've had 3 cars in my life: 89 Tercel, 93 Civic and now the ES, all w/out ABS. It snows in T.O. and I drive about 85 km/day Mon-Fri to school and work, in rush-hour and late at night when I finish work. Haven't had any issues except one last winter with the Civic approaching a 4-way stop on a residential street that was going downhill. The brakes locked and I was slidding through the intersection, so I pumped the brakes, turned the wheels towards the sidewalk and quickly pulled and released the hand brake: Civic stopped at a 90 degree angle to the road after hitting the sidewalk in about 2 secs. I was going a little too fast and since then I drive more carefully on snow/ice.
Cruuise ctrl: nice to have, but for city driving or a 2hr trip, useless. I use it about 4 times/yr on trips to Montreal (going this Saturday).
This week I installed the read mud guards on the Pro and bought 6 oil filters ($36) from Mazda. Service guy said that if there is an issue with the car and a warranty claim, if a non-Mazda filter is installed, they might not do the work. So better safe than sorry (plus they were cheaper than Canadian Tire's brand ($7.69 each instead of $6)- auto store here in canada). Can't go wrong with OEM that is cheaper than the store brands.
For everyone going to MAPP 3, have fun, take pics of the cars and everyone attending and have fun.
Oct 05, 2001 (4:57 am)
Hate it! Hate it! Hate it!
Why are we forced to have airbags in our cars? For some people it is safe to have them, but for people that are short and consequently have to sit close to the wheel, it's a guaranteed visit to the hospital if they deploy. I wish I could turn them off sice my mother is about 5'1"-5'2"(?). Here in Canada you have to get the Fed. gov't's permission to disable them and that process takes a few months. Why isn't there a switch to turn them off when someone else is using the car? Side airbags are safer I think b/c it would hit you in your arm, but the reg. airbags that deploy from the steering wheel are dangerous. Just my comments on the subject. But damn I HATE them!
Oct 05, 2001 (5:17 am)
#5133 of 24043 Test drove a Protege, need some advice
Oct 05, 2001 (5:27 am)
I test drove a 2002 Protege ES with an automatic tranny yesterday. First of all, I love the interior of the car, Very well built and ergonomically sound, the seats were especially comfy.The 6-cd changer and stereo head unit sounded awesome.
That said, I had a few questions....
First, the only thing that really bothered me was something that had been highlighted to death, the steering. The car had two miles on its odod, but when I tried to turn the car the steering seems stiff and unyielding. The car was pulling to the right a bit, so it might have needed an alignment.
In addition, when I accelerated onto the freeway the overdrive kicked in and the car reved up over 5K RPM'S, is that normal for this vehicle?
Also, how does relaibility, drivability, and overall value of the Protege compare with that of the Nissan Sentra?
Fianlly, with a sticker of $18,600, howe close to invoice ($17,100) do you think I can get?
Thanks for any thoughts you might have.
#5134 of 24043 I had a near-miss this morning, Larry!
Oct 05, 2001 (5:30 am)
But mine involved a toll gate instead of a deer!
I was on Richmond's Downtown Expressway, in a hurry as usual, and went through an Exact Change lane using my Smart Tag. Exact Change lanes have gates, of course, and usually I time it just right -- slowing down to 25 or so, so the gate has time to open and I slip right under it as it's raising.
Well, this morning the antenna didn't get the message from my Smart Tag transponder in my windshield, and the gate stayed down! I stood on the brakes (hey ABS fans, my non-ABS brakes didn't lock up) but I still hit the gate square in my windshield at about 15 mph!!!
Thank God for foam gate padding! The gate's arm was wrapped with tape-covered foam, and it has a breakaway feature too. I sent that gate swinging forward after it thudded into my windshield. I got to my deck and gave the A-pillars and windshield a good look, but fortunately all it did was scuff the dust on the windshield.
Boy was I relieved!
#5135 of 24043 Bob, I can answer the overdrive question ...
Oct 05, 2001 (6:00 am)
... even though I drive a 5-speed now. Mazda's 4-speed automatic has a two-stage kickdown. If you press the accelerator just a little to accelerate, you'll kick down one gear. If, however, you floor it, it'll kick down TWO gears. You must've been going for the gusto and downshifted to second. Don't worry about hurting anything -- I've had my 5-speed right up to the redline several times. As Car and Driver said in its review of the Protege a few years ago, "This car loves to rev."
As for your steering, that sounds abnormal. I'd get them to take a look at that.
#5136 of 24043 Re: overdrive and steering
Oct 05, 2001 (7:59 am)
Bob: Meade is exactly right about the overdrive. It actually didn't kick in, it kicked off The automatic in the Protege is fairly touchy (as is the gas pedal) and it takes a bit of practice and feel to know how much gas to give it for optimum acceleration. In a way it's more challenging than driving a manual because you don't have total control of the shifts. I always let my engine warm up for a few minutes (until it reaches about the middle of the temp gauge) before hard acceleration but it's very possible to redline the automatic. This engine develops most of its power at high RPMs so I wouldn't worry too much. 90mph in overdrive is right around 4000 RPMs and kicking out of overdrive puts you almost at redline if that gives you a better idea. The goal is to avoid that 2-gear downshift at lower speeds because you'll run up the RPMs without really going anywhere. On a related note, I can usually get up to 35-40 mph in first (I think) before I have to let off the gas so the automatic will shift.
As for the steering, the Protege does have somewhat stiff or heavy steering, especially in comparison to something like my last vehicle, a B2300 pickup which had a positively loose (to an unsafe degree) steering feel. The Protege does take a bit of muscling around corners but that stiff, heavy steering translates into precise handling. As I noted earlier, I had some trouble with my Pro5 in steering through tight S-curves. I imagine part of it was that 10 and 2 is not the ideal grip location for this and/or I need stronger shoulders The pull to the right is unusual, my P5 drives straight as an arrow and only meanders as the road does or as my hands tell it to.
#5137 of 24043 Andy ... we should talk!
Oct 05, 2001 (8:07 am)
My last vehicle, prior to my 2000 Protege ES 5-speed, was ALSO a B2300 pickup -- a '94. Piecacrap Ford product! Read my profile and you'll see what I mean. Did you have any trouble with yours?