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Mazda Protege, Sedan
#5098 of 24043 READ THE END OF THIS, ABS SUPPORTERS!
Oct 03, 2001 (10:13 am)
A few things:
First, I guess I'm just plain old-fashioned when it comes to my dashboard. I like my factory CD stereo and cassette player. It matches everything, its lights dim with the dash dimmer control (maybe the Kenwood's does too, I don't know), and its display DOESN'T wash out in the sun. Hey, my opinion, OK? I'll respect yours too.
Sorry about the "real men don't use cruise control" argument, but if I'm paying for the top-of-the-line car, I want cruise control. I use mine a LOT. Oh, I have a 5-speed too. What difference does that make? I still do a lot of highway driving and cruise is wonderful. And how much weight does cruise control add, for pete's sake? Are you the type of guy who installs drilled aluminum pedals for the 8 ounces they'll save, but then adds two pounds worth of chain-link license plate frame and 80 pounds of needless amps and subwoofers in his trunk? Just asking.
BTW, my older brother just bought a brand-new BMW 5-series sedan, and it came with cruise standard -- and not just any old cruise control; this one has that sonar-sensing stuff that slows the car down if you get too close to another car with the cruise on. Funky stuff for a $60,000 car, eh?
I tend to agree with Chikoo on the ABS, but for another reason. My boss owned a 1988 Mazda 626 -- the one with 4-wheel steering. Remember that fad? His ABS light came on and stayed on back in 1995, and even though the car was only 7 years old, Mazda didn't stock the ABS unit for it anymore and would have to special-order it from the manufacturer. Guess the manufacturer's price? $2,200.00.
When it comes to ABS, EBFD and other newer-technology stuff, I admit that the new stuff is wonderful. It's amazing how they've been able to improve automobile safety and pleasure in recent years. But to agree with Chikoo, many of us "older" (wow, I'm the ripe old age of 36) types drove for years without any of this stuff, and we didn't kill ourselves. I traded in a car with ABS for a 2000 Protege that doesn't have ABS, for the simple reason that my fat body didn't leave me any headroom with the sunroof I had to purchase to get ABS. (I feel it was pathetically stupid of Mazda to only offer ABS as part of a package that included the sunroof on the 2000s.)
Yes, ABS is great. But buy the extended warranty; you'll need it if you plan to "drive your car into the ground." ABS parts are VERY expensive, even if your car hasn't been discontinued. Oh -- ABS adds quite a bit of weight to a car too -- quite a bit more than drilled aluminum pedals.
Here ya go -- I just took the liberty of calling my dealer's service department -- Whitten Brothers Mazda in Richmond, VA -- and got the price on the ABS hydraulic unit for a 2001 Protege. I must admit I almost had to pick myself up off the floor, guys. I'm not lying -- this is what the parts manager told me after looking it up. You ready? It's $1,500.00.
Meade the Relieved He Didn't Get ABS Now
#5099 of 24043 Meade...
Oct 03, 2001 (10:27 am)
Guess if the ABS light in my car comes on after the warranty goes, then I will just do without the ABS. I ain't trying to pay $1500 for it.
I did have a 1994 Pont. Bonneville with 150K on it and beat to hell. Everything went on that car, but never the ABS brakes. So maybe they do last a long time.
Oct 03, 2001 (10:38 am)
"When it comes to ABS, EBFD and other newer-technology stuff, I admit that the new stuff is wonderful. It's amazing how they've been able to improve automobile safety and pleasure in recent years. But to agree with Chikoo, many of us "older" (wow, I'm the ripe old age of 36) types drove for years without any of this stuff, and we didn't kill ourselves. I traded in a car with ABS for a 2000 Protege that doesn't have ABS, for the simple reason that my fat body didn't leave me any headroom with the sunroof I had to purchase to get ABS. (I feel it was pathetically stupid of Mazda to only offer ABS as part of a package that included the sunroof on the 2000s.)"
That echos the thoughts in my head exactly. Of all the cars I've owned, only my last one, a '99 Passat, had ABS.
SInce I plan to drive this car forever, simple is better anyway.
#5101 of 24043 Not in Virginia you won't, Paul.
Oct 03, 2001 (10:39 am)
In Virginia, if your car has ABS and it's not working, it won't pass annual State Inspection. They gotcha!
My boss wound up trading the car as-is, but didn't get much for it since the dealership he traded it to knew, just like he found out, that the cost of the new ABS unit was more than the entire car was worth!
#5102 of 24043 Wow, I'm getting quoted.
Oct 03, 2001 (10:40 am)
I feel like a newspaper reporter again. Thanks for the attribution, Sporin!
#5103 of 24043 I'm gone for the day.
Oct 03, 2001 (10:44 am)
I'm off to tear down the expressway in my non-ABS-equipped 2000 ES 5-speed with cruise control! Yeah babeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
See all you fellow fanatics tomorrow, when it'll be MAPP-MINUS TWO DAYS AND COUNTING!!!
Meade the ZOOM-ZOOMER
Oct 03, 2001 (11:19 am)
that was quite an article;) Your journalist roots are showing!!
ABS: Not that I am against it...but driving on a road that is not conducive to driving(icy roads)....NEVER.
So no ABS for me.
Oct 03, 2001 (11:29 am)
I agree that many people drove around without ABS and never got killed. How about air bags. A lot people drove without air bags (and still do) and they are not killed. Hey I guess it's just the boy scout in me: "Be Prepared"
#5106 of 24043 chikoo -- ABS
Oct 03, 2001 (11:33 am)
Speaking of the MP3 specifically -- it already comes with super low-profile summer tires, so it really is not meant for icy roads (ABS or not). It can, however, stop on a dime in the rain.
Also, not sure who brought this up, but I believe the reason that the MP3 does not have cruise, is because the placement of its strut tower bar would interfere with the standard ES cruise.
Now why it doesn't have a sunroof is anybody's guess. It would seem that this type of car would have one. Not that I miss it -- my last car had a sunroof that leaked. I ended up having to use several treatments of silicone to seal it shut.
#5107 of 24043 Meade...
Oct 03, 2001 (12:24 pm)
Here in Maryland, we don't have safety inspections except for emissions, so I won't have a problem if the ABS does quit. I plan to get an extended warranty for the car as well at some point, so I will be able to get the car repaired under warranty if anything happens.
Sporin: I was curious as to why you traded the Passat (a car that's in a higher class) for a P5. Why didn't you just keep the Passat and drive it forever?
The MP3 has no sunroof? That's a sporty aspect of a car one would think. It also takes away from the structural integrity a little bit though, so maybe that's why.