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Mazda Protege, Sedan
Aug 05, 2001 (1:21 am)
The '97-'98 Protege is an excellent buy with good reliability and fuel mileage. The best model to get is the ES with it's Miata-based 1.8L DOHC engine. Power and smoothness is outstanding, but it does sacrifice some fuel mileage. However, with a 5-spd you should still get 30-32mpg on the freeway. A/C systems should be strong on Protege models. Resale value on the Protege is not as good as the Civic or Corolla, so it makes an excellent used car to buy... a lot of vehicle for the money. ES models are hard to find... which is why I'm surprised my favorite dealership has two '98 ES's in stock right now. One's a dark blue/tan interior manual with 30,837 miles for $9,490 (Blue Book is $11,910), and the other is a white/gray interior automatic with 35,993 miles for $10,450 (Blue Book is $12,045). LX and DX models are excellent used cars as well, but the small 1.5L engine is best suited for the manual transmission. MSN's Carpoint rates with '94-'98 Protege (all models) with outstanding reliability.
Are you going to finance this vehicle? Remember, the 2001 Protege has 0.0% financing and payments are not too much more than what the used Protege will run for:
1998 Mazda Protege ES 5-spd*
2001 Mazda Protege LX 2.0 5-spd*
$14,695 (MSRP minus a conservative $700)
*Applicable state sales tax and state licensing/registration fees must be added.
For that extra $71/mo, you are getting the 3yr/50,000 mile warranty plus 24-hour roadside assistance. Plus, it gives you the peace of mind that nobody has abused this car before you. Hey, if someone is willing to let you borrow money for free, I say take it!! BTW, that price I gave you on the 2001 Protege includes all of the equipment of the LX 2.0 (AC, power windows/locks/mirrors, 2.0L engine, cruise, CD, tilt) plus the remote keyless entry system ($100), power moonroof (free), and 15" alloy wheels (free).
#3603 of 24043 incentives and rebate question
Aug 05, 2001 (1:25 am)
I have a question pertaining to how dealer incentives and rebates work. I will use the protege 5 as an example in my hypothetical. The invoice is 17,000 and the MSRP is 19000. There is a $1000 dealer incentive or rebate on the protege 5 and I buy the car for invoice $17,000 after the rebate or incentive. Does the dealership make money from the MSRP dealer hold back plus $1000 or would they just make money from the MSRP dealer hold back? Basically is the incentive offered by the manufacturer, and does it have an effect on the dealers profit?
Aug 05, 2001 (1:41 am)
Rebates are a manufacturer customer-cash program. In other words, it's $1,000 from Mazda directly to you. Most people apply it as a down payment. The rebate is applied after taxes have been calculated on the selling price of the vehicle, therefore it is like a cash downpayment. If you want, Mazda could send you a check for $1,000 instead (this takes about 6 weeks).
The customer-cash incentive (rebate) has no effect on the dealer's profit. Don't let a dealership tell you otherwise. When you are dealing with the dealer, deal as if there was no rebate involved. Once you come to a price you are satisfied with, tell them you want to use the rebate as a down payment. That rebate is money in your pocket. The dealer can't touch it. My question is: When did they start a rebate on the Protege5? From my understanding, only the sedans have the rebate.
#3605 of 24043 Just Purchased 2001 ES 5 Sp.
Aug 05, 2001 (3:02 am)
On Friday 8-3-01 we sold our beloved 97 Protege ES automatic to my nephew. What a great car that was. Very dependable and mileage between 26 & as high as 38 if we took it easy on the highway. To ease the pain, we bought a 2001 ES 5 speed at dealer invoice and got 0% financing for 4 years.
So far (after only 131 miles) we are very pleased with this new car. It is quiet, stereeo is ok (our 97 Protege's sounded better). The new car has moonroof, ABS, and cassette. It will take some getting used to the red lights of the dash gauges at night. The 5 speed shifts so smoothly. Will provide further updates as the car gets broken in. We have bought quite a few Mazda's since 1985 and they have all been very reliable (with the exception of a 94 B-4000 4X4, which is a Ford anyway). We expect this new Protege will be very reliable, and fun to drive to boot.
Aug 05, 2001 (5:27 am)
Welcome to the Mazda Protegé forum, hope you enjoy your new ES as much as the other owners enjoy theirs'. Continue to come to post to the forum and attend our LIVE Protegé Owners Club chats on Thursday evenings at 6:00PM to 7:00PM PT -- 9:00PM to 10:00PM ET. We look forward to your following comments.
This is a great forum and you will find all kinds of advice and help here, if needed.
Aug 05, 2001 (5:59 am)
Thank you for the warm welcome!
#3608 of 24043 Another Protege in my circle of friends!
Aug 05, 2001 (9:21 am)
Would you believe it?
A good friend, who was leaning towards buying the Civic EX, bought a Seabreeze Green Protege ES with the S-plan pricing and the 0% rebate, with the premium package (were people aware that the sunroof is currently being offered for free?).
She felt it was better value for money, and a much more fun car to drive, go figure . I did more of the convincing than the car dealership, literally! One place had no ES's and had her drive an LX 2.0, and she (rightly) felt the Civic EX would be a better choice! But when I insisted she go to another dealer, much further away, and try the ES, she enjoyed driving it so much, that she changed her mind! The better warranty, roadside support, one-year replacement plan, price, and APR may also have had something to do with it!
Thanks, to people who posted info about the S-Plan, I passed that on to her - and she got a great deal (300 below invoice, I think).
Can people post some info about extended warranties? Buy from the dealer, buy yourself, or wait for a while (but buy before the manufacturer's warranty runs out)?
Aug 05, 2001 (3:48 pm)
Although engine power has a lot to do with a vehicle's ability to tow something, it isn't the only thing to consider. The reason why the owner's manual recommends that you don't tow anything with your Protoge is because the suspension and unit-body are not up to the task. I guarantee the 120 hp Ford Ranger pickup that you mentioned can tow better than the 130 hp Protoge because of its body on frame construction and heavier duty suspension and chassis (rear leaf springs with a solid rear axle). I think you will put considerable stress on a Protoge by attempting to tow things with it.
Aug 05, 2001 (6:24 pm)
Is this S-Plan thing avaible in Canada?