Mazda Protegé

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What is this discussion about? Mazda Protege, Sedan

#3309 of 24043 I agree with Mazdafun by browntrout1

Jul 21, 2001 (9:15 pm)

I used to own an '85 Jetta Carat. It was a great car to drive...when it worked. It's probably faster than my 2000 1.8L Protege...or pretty close but the bottom line is that I put tons of money into it to keep it running. Granted it was an old car but we have a 1990 323 with 260000 kms on the odometer and it has far less problems. Engine runs as smooth as my 2000 Protege.
 
I actually shopped around for a VW GTI 1.8T before I got my protege, but it was way too much more money for not that much more car with poor questionable reliability. Sure it's got more power, but it has to lug around about 300lbs more weight. Hopefully Mazda will hold their promise of adding a Turbo or supercharger to the MP3 (or MPS by then) and we will never hear that a Protege is underpowered.

#3310 of 24043 Mazda 323/Protege Review by theparallax

Jul 21, 2001 (10:45 pm)

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9120/html/Mazda1.htm#Familia

Here’s a quiz for you. What is the best selling Mazda in the USA? Protege. What’s the equivalent in Japan? Familia. And Europe? 323, but it is a hatchback instead of sedan. So what’s the hatchback version of Familia? Familia S-wagon. Its equivalent in Asia Pacific? 323 Astina. What about USA? nil. The American never like hatchbacks.
Memorizing all these nameplates is quite a challenge, but not to the extent that memorizing all the engines available. Basically, Japanese versions have the most powerful and efficient engines, including 1498 c.c. twin-cam variable-valve timing unit good for 130 hp, 1840 c.c. dohc with 135 hp and range-topping Sport 20’s 2.0-litre 170 hp. North American versions have 1.6-litre dohc 105 hp and 1.8-litre dohc 122 hp. European versions are the least powerful, including 1.5-litre 88 hp and 1.8-litre dohc 114 hp.

No matter which version, the 323 (let’s use this name representing all versions) is just an ordinary car aims at ordinary people. It won’t surprise you, but it doesn’t have unforgivable flaws like some European hatchbacks either (say, an Alfa 145). You know a reliable car like this is what most road users really need, but you can’t help thinking about a bit more than that, say, a dynamic behaviour matching Ford Focus or Opel Astra, or a classy feel in the league of Volkswagen Golf or Seat Leon. Make it clear, desirability is what the Mazda 323 lack of.

Some people like its styling, especially is the S-wagon (hatchback) which is loaded with all the optional body-color-matching aerodynamic kits and beautiful alloy wheels. However, the fundamental styling theme is rather conservative and bias towards the ease of production rather than sophistication. If you have an eagle-sharp sight, you’ll notice the front bumper is not tightly assembled into the body, because of large design tolerance rather than fit and finish problem. The nose looks dull. Thick and black plastic side window frames look more like the products of the 80s.

The same goes for the cabin - There is nothing wrong but also nothing impressive. All the plastics are in light grey. The generic center console is quite pretty, but the rest of the dashboard is boring. The grade of plastic material is not as poor as some rivals, such as Nissan and Opel, but the lack of design isn’t easy to overcome. Space in front is quite good, at the back is just average.

The 323's floorpan is essentially identical to the domestic and European 626, with the same wheelbase and also rides on struts up front and TTL at the rear. TTL (twin-trapezoidal links) is basically a MacPherson strut with two long lateral lower control arms. It’s fully independent, but it doesn’t have the passive rear-wheel steer ability as the popular torsion beam axle. In fact, the 323 handles and rides just so-so. Admittedly, most of the problems come from the steering (too light and rubbery) and gearchange (obstructive). Engines, except the European 1.3 and 1.5-litre, are up to class average but no more.

Obviously, the 323 and its derivatives are not designed with enthusiastic driver in mind.
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I don't know about you, but I disagree with the person's opinion on the Protege being a boring/bad handling car, what is he SMOKING?!?!?

#3311 of 24043 Speaking of tolerances by fowler3

Jul 22, 2001 (7:42 am)

Does the space between the ends of the dash and the front doors seem too wide to you? Seems to me Mazda could have closed this up more, it's almost 2cm wide (3/4"). If anything says "cheap" it's gaps.
 
fowler3

#3312 of 24043 fowler3, axjoke, by yooper53

Jul 22, 2001 (10:05 am)

re: Assy shutdown, Me too, with all my cars.
re: shift points. I,m sure I read somewhere (probably in Edmund's) that at least some cars the pcm "learns" its owners driving style and operates within that context. Don't know if this is so.
 
CD problems..Had the same problem w/my '01 ES. Only happened once. So far. It apparently cured itself. Hope its not intermittent.

#3313 of 24043 yooper by axjoke

Jul 22, 2001 (2:16 pm)

Its going on day two and still won't eject. Wich is bad and good... at least i don't have to worry about it working right when i go to the dealer to complain.
 
Am I correct in assuming the cd player is still under warranty? Think i'm in month 13 of ownership.

#3314 of 24043 axjoke by yooper53

Jul 22, 2001 (3:35 pm)

the CD player. Have you referred to protegextwo post of 07/15/01? If so have you tried it? Let us know. As to the player I don't have a clue. Info should be in warranty booklet that came with car.

#3315 of 24043 Mazda Protege ES by gti2001

Jul 22, 2001 (4:20 pm)

The Mazda PRO ES is a good economy car, but falls short of the civic or corolla. It is owned by Ford, and is in financial disary. VW Jetta sales are much more than the Protege, even though some may disagree, look at the numbers before you say something. The GTI has better reliability than the Jetta, which is why I bought it. It is also fast and fun to drive, which I found the protege not to be. Thats my opinion. sorry if I ruffled some protege feathers, LOL.

#3316 of 24043 by jk111

Jul 22, 2001 (4:33 pm)

GTI 1.8T is a 19 grand car. It better be a little faster if you pay 3-4 grand more than the protege ES. This is like saying my wrx is faster and more fun to drive than your GTI. Give me a break.

#3317 of 24043 gti2001 by newcar31

Jul 22, 2001 (4:54 pm)

Why don't you look at the numbers? Last time I looked, Mazda sold more Protoges than VW sold Jettas, as of last quarter this year. It is not about disagreement, its about fact. The GTI and Jetta are mechanically identical cars, how could one be significantly more reliable? Thats like saying that a Ford Taurus is more reliable than a Mercury Sable, or a Toyota Corolla is more reliable than a Geo Prizm. How does the Protoge fall short of the Civic and Corolla? Most publications see the Protoge as a class leader. Your GTI is not fast, my old mustang would have trounced it and been just as reliable. If all I cared about was speed, I could have gotten a Z28 Camaro and ran up and down all over your GTI all day and all night for roughly the same price, however, I realize that comparing a Z28 to a souped up Golf is ridiculous. I don't understand why you didn't spend only $6000 more for a WRX since it is faster, more reliable, and handles better.----LOL

#3318 of 24043 newcar by gti2001

Jul 22, 2001 (5:03 pm)

I think that maybe your not thinking correctly. Jetta far outsells the Protege, look on the street, tell me how many jettas you see verse proteges??? Also, MY GTI is fast, much faster than the protege and handles better with standard sport suspension. GTI 0-60 equals 7.3 sec (car and driver) Protege: 9.1. Humm. Plus very fun to drive. Top speed: 131 mph, protege: 108. I could go on but its obvious your not happy with your protege and trying to defend your purchase.
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