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Mazda Protege, Sedan
#3150 of 24043 My Proteges' histories:
Jul 12, 2001 (9:56 am)
Protege No. 3:
2000 Mazda Protege ES 5-speed
Purchased: May 2000
Whitten Brothers Jeep/Chrysler/Mazda
2,000 miles: Replaced plastic clip holding trunk springs under rear parcel shelf, under warranty. (Um, I broke it by trying to slide too tall a box into the trunk, and they still fixed it under warranty!)
16,000 miles: Replaced CD player, again under warranty. (Cause: I placed a CD with a label on it in my player -- this is strongly advised against in the owner's manual, yet STILL my dealer replaced it under warranty.)
I now have 23,000 miles on my car. That's the entirety of my non-scheduled dealer visits. A good friend of mine went out and bought the exact same car I have (even the color's the same) -- except his is an automatic -- three months after I bought mine. He's had zero problems with his.
Mazda No. 2:
1992 Mazda Protege LX 5-speed
Purchased: September 1992
Whitten Brothers Jeep/Chrysler/Mazda
Traded it in at 83,000 miles on a Mazda B2300SE pickup, built by Ford. Worst mistake I ever made.
Protege No. 1:
1992 Mazda Protege LX automatic
Purchased: December 1991
Whitten Brothers Jeep/Chrysler/Mazda
Yes folks, Mazda was placing Bridgestone Poortenza RE-92s on its Proteges nine years ago. This was my "learning Protege" with these tires. On one muggy Richmond late-summer afternoon, I found myself in the middle of a sudden, torrential thunderstorm. Those tires, and my nine-month-old Protege, had 28,000 miles on them. I hydroplaned at 40-45 mph for about a tenth of a mile, coming to a not-so-graceful stop at the rear of a Volvo 245DL station wagon at a traffic light. Car was totaled. (Excellent Mazda safety note: Even though the '92s only had those damned motorized "passive restraint" belts and no air bags, I walked out of my totaled car.)
Jerry, I'm sorry you've had so much trouble. As we've seen from your own post, your Ford Ranger treated you well -- yet my own Mazda-built-by-Ford B2300 (with the same engine as yours, by the way) had engine problem after engine problem.
I will say that after reading your itemized list of repairs, many -- more than half -- of those items are wear-related. Ask any mechanic about how long a clutch will last and he'll say anywhere from 500 miles to 200,000 miles, depending on the driver. I can't sit here and say you're hard on your clutch any more than you can make me believe you don't sit at traffic lights and ride it. I also can't estimate how hard you brake and whether you let your engine slow the car down (I have a five-speed too) to help the brakes. There are two schools of thought on that little habit right there -- those who would rather let the engine do some of the braking, and others who say brake pads cost a LOT less than engine rebuilds.
But who knows? At one time I had a 1988 Hyundai Excel -- yeah, yeah, everybody stop snickering and read -- such a worthless car, right? Well, my 5-speed Hyundai Excel GL 5-door -- which I paid $7,100 for in 1987, the first year Hyundai was in this country -- went 120,000 miles delivering pizzas and only had one problem -- a transmission slip that was covered by a Hyundai recall. Funny thing is, considering all the cars I've owned -- Toyota, Saab, Hyundai, Ford-Mazda and Japan-Mazda -- and the miles I've put on them, the Hyundai probably was the most reliable of the bunch.
Jul 12, 2001 (9:56 am)
If I had not bought 20 of those cars, I would be driving a Lexus instead of a Mazda.
#3152 of 24043 Sorry, haven't been keeping up...
Jul 12, 2001 (9:57 am)
Hey, I am back from vacation! Well, I was going through the post and someone said the 1999-2000 Pros. aren't going to wear as well as the 2001. Uhm, there is very little difference between the two cars and the 1999-2000 was not just designed as another economy car. I didn't look back to see who said this but you have your facts wrong I am afraid. Oh, and I own a 2000 and a 2001 and personally like the front of my 2000 better then my 2001. Just my $.02.
Jul 12, 2001 (10:23 am)
I know most of the items are wear items... It's just that normally those items last twice as long for me. I have never owned an automatic and I consider myself an excellent stick-shift driver (who still double clutches on downshifts?). The only clutch I had to replace was on the RX-7 and that was at 148,000 miles! (The MG's clutch disc and pressure plate were fine, it was that block of teflon they called a throw-out bearing that wore!) I don't ride it and the car sits in neutral when stopped. The clutch in the Protege has about 5,000 miles left on it... actually, the technician said the clutch disc was fine, it is the pressure plate that's about to go!
Tires I can understand... I go through those fairly quickly (but 18,000 on those Potenza's was ridiculous, but common). Brakes I typically get about 30,000-45,000 miles out of. I am not surprised I need an alignment at this point. That's pretty common. Of course, all of that warranty work I had in the beginning just kind of jinxed the car... I think it's just that I came out of the RX-7 before this. Even though that RX-7 was 20 years old, it still had much more refinement and build quality than my '99 Protege.
panamaltd2... It was I who said the 2001 Protege would wear better than the 1999-2000. Of course it will. The brakes are larger, the body stiffer, and suspension stronger. The engine is larger and stronger (don't have to push it as hard as the smaller engine). I am referring to the ES models...
Jul 12, 2001 (10:31 am)
It's refresshing to see a little dose of reality sometimes. The pro is a nice little car, but the "irrational exhuberance" some owners display just makes me laugh. All I expect from my pro is to get me from A to B whenever I need to, in an economical fashion(mpg and maintenance). I'm not asking much and don't expect anymore than that. I treat it with respect and don't abuse it in the least. I only have put 8k on mine in a year, so it will take almost 6 years to put the kind of mileage you have on your pro. As far as the clutch wearing, I downshift only on turns and right before making them. I use the brakes for slowing down, not the clutch. That may explain why your's is already worn out.
#3155 of 24043 to cut a long story short
Jul 12, 2001 (10:41 am)
The car is good.....but depreciates too rapidly.
my '99 es is worth only 9500$ now.
But I drive my cars carefully and speed them up only on the freeway 65-70 generally. sometimes 80 if the road is smooth.
No rattles on a smooth road, but if I hit potholes, I can hear the doors rattle because of the body flexing.
I think that maybe taken care of by having tires with softer and bigger sidewalls.
and maltb, yes my upper half of the body sways when I am in the passenger seat and I can't push back far enough ' cause the child seat interferes.
Biggest drawback is the way the engine is mounted on rubber bushings on the firewall.
No new car has it's engine mounted on the firewall. Tehy all have hydraulic mounts which are great for isolating the noise/vibrations from the cabin
Hope mazda learns....
Jul 12, 2001 (11:02 am)
Saw my first mp3 on dealer lot today. Sales rep and customer were getting ready for a test drive when I walked up to it. Heard sales guy say it wasn't eligible for the S plan. I looked at the sticker and with dealer add ons it was over 20k. I thought to myself, no way is it worth 6k more than my 2k ES(at least in my eyes). The tires alone would cost a fortune to replace.
#3157 of 24043 No probs here
Jul 12, 2001 (11:57 am)
My wife needed a new car in 99 and we did all our homework, looked at everything in the price range, and settled on the 99 DX with automatic. Not fast, but it's my wife's car.
It now has about 34k miles on it. Here's the non-preventive maintenance we've had to do on it:
Whew, long list. Seriously, we did have some intermittent troubles with the CD player transport, but that hasn't shown up for months now. And we had to replace the windshield because of a big rock that came off a construction truck, but that wasn't the car's fault.
This is one of the many reasons we're buying another Protege, this one for me--it'll be a P5 with a 5-speed. I can't wait!
Jul 12, 2001 (12:23 pm)
Same here, I like the older front end much better than the new 01 models, the new ones don't give the 'Euro' look the older ones did perfectly. On the other hand, the Protege5 and MP3 front ends look GREAT!
#3159 of 24043 Non-preventive maintenance on 99 LX.
Jul 12, 2001 (12:38 pm)
Got mine in Feb. 1999. All I needed done was to have the steering wheel aligned with the front wheels (about 15 degrees off). Nothing since then.
All I do is oil & oil filter changes every 5,000 miles. I usually do tire rotations at the same time, but I'm trying to wear these Firestones out quickly, so I've only rotated them once at 19,000 miles (I'm trying to wear them out evenly...I'm still cheap). I've changed the air filter once at 15,000 since it looked kind of dirty (lost of dust and pollen, some bugs). Every now and then I visually check the front brake pads and spray the exposed metal of the underbody parts and door joints with some silicone grease.
19,3k miles and still pretty solid. Some minor vibration from the engine now when idling in D. I'll have the dealer take care of that at the 30,000 mile tune-up. A/C has never jolted on me. Cooling is adequate, but not the strongest I've felt.
Speaking of cooling, do you think Mazda will keep the mesh seats they had in their RX-8 show cars? That would help ventilate the ol' back-side during the hot humid months w/o having to use one of those cheesy bead seats. I wonder if they'll extend those to their other models? It would open up some more legroom in the rear seat too.