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Mazda Protege, Sedan
#23789 of 24043 BTW, now that I've had both ...
Jun 30, 2005 (4:43 am)
... well, actually, several (2 1992 LXs, 1 2000 ES and now a 2005 3 hatch), I can tell you where the difference really lies. The '92s and the '00 handled very well, but the 3 has much more power. But the REAL difference lies in the handling at speed -- if you visit the site hosted by the engineers who designed the 3 ...
... you'll note that, after spending some time on the autobahn studying the way German cars handled fast speeds, they deliberately designed the 3 to be more stable at high speeds. And I agree. At 90 in the Proteges I was starting to get white-knuckled. At 90 in the 3 I'm very relaxed and the car is well-composed and solid; not at all twitchy like the Proteges were.
To quote from the above link (which is full of great info on the 3's development):
On the flight back to Japan from Europe, Tanioka spent his time alone and deep in thought. He had driven some of the competitive European C-segment cars from VW, BMW, Peugeot and Alfa Romeo on Germany's autobahns and he was thinking that when driving fast, even at around 200km/h, his confidence in these cars was largely sustained even as the field of vision became narrower at speed.
But traveling at even 160km/h in a Japanese car of the same class somehow resulted in a loss of driving confidence. Reflecting on how he had felt while driving, Tanioka was aware that he had been sensing various "danger signs" in the Japanese cars as speed increased, including the sound of the engine, wind noise and vibration of the steering wheel. Such sounds and movement communicate an impression of impending danger to the driver, giving rise to a feeling of uneasiness.
In contrast, he had felt no such feeling when driving the competitive European models. All that he had been aware of with increasing speed was the narrowing visual field and a feeling of confidence that grew with it. And suddenly, Tanioka realized one of the keys to Mazda3's development: they would raise the speed at which confidence could still be felt.
To attest for my experience: I owned my first '92 LX until it was totaled (hydroplaning) at 28,000 miles. I bought the second one and drove it 83,000 miles. I had the '00 ES for 91,100 miles and traded it April 7 for the 2005 3 hatch, which I now have about 3,800 miles on.
Jun 30, 2005 (5:58 pm)
i recently got a K&N filter for 11.00 from no other than ebay LOL and it promised 2-4 % increase in power well i havent noticed it but maybe its me does anyone know why. secondly i realized that the air route for my 99 pro is pretty much big except for 1 part at the mass air sensor its real small why is that i was tempted to take the hose off and let her rip would that have made a diff ... oh and i didnt want to go faster i just want more throttle response ... it all started when i drove my friends v6 galant i hit 115 in like a matter of seconds i mean i hate the car but i liked the power train minus premium gas UCCk im happy with my 25 mpg LOL
#23791 of 24043 Defective 2002 Wheel Covers
Jul 12, 2005 (5:50 pm)
Are dealers still providing no-cost replacements for 2002 Protege plastic wheel covers that crack or break when removed? Do they provide all four covers even if only one cover has failed so far?
#23792 of 24043 Re: Defective 2002 Wheel Covers [alternator]
Jul 13, 2005 (4:09 am)
Er, have you tried asking your dealer?
Jul 14, 2005 (7:36 am)
I'm looking to buy a late-model Protege or 626 in the near future, preferably a '00 or '01 model. I don't want frills on either car, just a nice, simple commuter that I can use daily, plus drive in the winter while I put my '96 Volvo away. Also, I should mention that I am a true driving enthusiast so I have to ask- which car would perform better on the highway and have great high-speed stability: a Protege or a 626 of the vintage I mentioned?
Also I presume that the '99-'03 Protege generation rides and handles better than the slow-selling '95-'98 generation.
#23794 of 24043 Re: Defective 2002 Wheel Covers [mdaffron]
Jul 14, 2005 (9:39 am)
Meade, are you stalking me? I was trying to see how the wind blows before I approach my dealer
#23795 of 24043 Protege or 626 [jrosasmc]
Jul 14, 2005 (10:35 am)
My vote goes for the Protege (especially the ES model); the 626 was much too long in the tooth and due for a serious change which fortunately happened with the Mazda6. A simple test drive of each car should prove the point.
#23796 of 24043 Re: Defective 2002 Wheel Covers [alternator]
Jul 14, 2005 (1:16 pm)
Meade has been a regular participant in this discussion for years, as well as in the other discussion in which he made a reply to you.
Your question was very appropriate, and I hope someone can give you the information you are seeking.
#23797 of 24043 Yeaaa! Meade got a gold star!
Jul 14, 2005 (8:09 pm)
Keep up the good work Meadeball.
BTW, I drove in heavy rain this afternoon and tested the Kumhos for hydroplaning, they are great! Hard stops from speed they had full contact and stopped like the road was dry. Highly recommend them. I have a 2001 Pro LX 2.0 and replaced the lousy Bridgestone Portenzas after 22K miles. The Kumhos are 205/50/15HR ECSTA 711 touring tires. Very quiet and smooth riding.
Jul 15, 2005 (8:20 am)
I've been busy the last few days.
I'd definitely go with the Protege. Like autonomous says, the last-generation 626 was "long in the tooth" -- I'll go farther; it was a dud. I got to drive one a few times as a loaner car. B-O-R-I-N-G!!!
My last Protege was a 2000 ES 5-speed, purchased new in May 2000 (and replaced with a Mazda3S wagon back in April). I had 91,100 miles of trouble-free service. Nice, zippy, well-handling, smile-inducing car.
P.S. Thanks for the compliment Pat ... or at least I think it was a compliment!