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You are in the Mazda Protege
What is this discussion about?
Mazda Protege, Sedan
Jul 10, 2003 (8:05 am)
ashu: The Tribue and B-series are still Mazdas and should be counted against them much as the Passport and SLX were still counted against Honda/Acura. And even if you only want to count their cars you have to consider the Protege is 5 years old, the 626 has been made since 1998, and the Miata is essentially unchanged since it's introduction in 1991. Other higher-rated brands have had several new models introduced in the last couple of years and are still ranked highly.
Basically, you can't take the models whose quality ratings you like and say those are the cars which the manufacturer should be judged by.
Jul 10, 2003 (8:13 am)
For every turn of my axle, I'm going farther -- they're FASTER!
And the wider footprint means they corner better (well, theoretically, all else being equal which it isn't).
How'd that Pontiac ad go? "LA HOOLA OOOOLAAAHHHH!!!!"
#21882 of 24043 Anony -- All's fair.
Jul 10, 2003 (8:14 am)
Mazda's presence under some Ford hoods probably saved Ford from the Kia end of the list too.
#21883 of 24043 When you try to make a point ...
Jul 10, 2003 (8:27 am)
... explain yourself in a bit more detail.
So - they're 5 years old. So what? They've won or been in the top 3 of every comparo ever since they were introduced.
And the Passport built by Isuzu isn't nearly as bad as the problems the Ford truck lines seem to have that creep into everything.
SLX - what's that?
Jul 10, 2003 (8:45 am)
How do I need to explain myself in more detail?
Even if you only look at the Mazda cars such as the Protege, 626, and Miata you must realize that none of them are new models so they should no longer be plagued by "first year jitters". Other higher-ranking brands have had several new models introduced which might have a couple of first year bugs which would lower their score.
Regardless, you can't look at a couple of models that rank highly and say you should only look at those and disgregard their lower-ranking models.
"So - they're 5 years old. So what? They've won or been in the top 3 of every comparo ever since they were introduced."
What was the last comparison test a 626 won? Even the 6 has had only 1 win in a comparison test and that was against a Jetta and an Altima, not against the real heavy-hitters in the mid-size sedan category. Or maybe you are talking about the Protege...could you explain yourself in more detail?
So Ford is worse than Isuzu? Isn't Ford helping with the new Protege (poor Protege)? And isn't the Mazda V6 a Ford-based engine? Hmmm... sounds like you shoulda bought something else if your opinion of Ford is that low.
The SLX was a rebadged Trooper but became extinct when the MDX came out.
#21887 of 24043 Well, I really don't know why we're going on with this ...
Jul 10, 2003 (8:51 am)
Seems kinda dead horse material to me ... but since you brought it up ...
I don't really put much stock in those quality surveys because of their limited scope. I go by personal experience. Here's mine:
1992 Protege - flawless until it got totaled at 28,000 miles.
1992 Protege No. 2 - flawless. Traded for Mazda B2300 pickup (aka "Ford Ranger") at 83,000 miles.
1994 B2300 pickup -- I have a stack of about 50 service receipts that aren't routine maintenance. I'm not exaggerating and I'll show 'em to you sometime. Met with Mazda NA regional service manager three times; Mazda wound up paying for most of the trouble and rental cars but that's not saying anything about the inconvenience of having to visit the shop and car rental places nearly every month during the 4-1/2 years I put up with this miserable example of Ford Quality.
2000 Mazda Protege - Flawless. 59,000 miles on it now.
Wife's 2002 Mazda Protege5 - Flawless. Wife has 20,000 miles on it now.
Just speaking from my personal experience; YMMV.
Jul 10, 2003 (8:55 am)
Almost bought a new F150 the other day but Ford's quality scared us off, especially if we are going to pay $20,000 or so. Might as well buy an Element.
To save ourselves about $15000 vs. a new F150 or an Element we are about to buy a 1997 Dakota V6 club cab to satisfy our need for a Home Depot-mobile and something to get our bikes to the local trail. A little scared of it too but it's cheap so if it's a piece we will sell it .. QUICK.
I have no doubts the Protege is a reliable car. My only argument is that you can't say that you should only judge Mazda by cars you think do well in quality tests. We all know that is unfair. You could turn that around and say the Corolla is more reliable than a Camry so only look at the Corollas quality ratings.
But I digress...zoom,zoom.
Jul 10, 2003 (9:16 am)
If the vehicle in question is what you're considering, then its own reliability should be examined, in addition to the overall record of the make. Why would I consider the record of an SUV when I'm interested in a compact? Or vice versa?
I seem to recall R&T or MT correcting a DIRECT comparison article between the Accord and 6, stating they'd tied, or the 6 was slightly ahead instead of the Accord being slightly ahead.