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Mazda Protege, Sedan
May 17, 2003 (7:27 am)
"Escort engine: The 2.0 in the 97+ Escort was Ford's 2.0 'split port injection' engine that they worked on themselves."
That engine is the same as the ancient Ford 1.9L that has been used in Escorts forever. 97+ Escorts also came with Ford's newer 2.0L Zetec that was used in the Contour/Mystique and is used in the Focus and Tribute/Escape.
"The 1.8 engine in the Escort GT was the same in the Protege's top line models until 2001 when the 2.0 took over."
Actually, the 1.8L in the Escort GT was the BP 1.8L, a completely different engine than the 1.8L in the 3rd generation Proteges which was the FP 1.8L. B series engines are different engines than F series engines. The 1.8L in the 3 generation Proteges is based off of the 2.0L that Mazda has been using in the 626, Probe, and MX6 for a long time. I don't know why, but Mazda de-stroked the 2.0L to 1.8L for the 3 gen Proteges until 2001 when they put it back the way it was and made it a 2.0L again. When the 3rd generation Proteges came out, I always wondered why Mazda went through the expense of making the 2.0L smaller. Why didn't they just spend that money on making the 2.0L better?
May 17, 2003 (11:51 am)
to make it more rev-happy
May 17, 2003 (2:08 pm)
If that's the case, why didn't they just use the B series 1.8L? Why did one company need two completely different 1.8L I4 engines? I would have liked the Protege a lot better if they had the 142 hp B series 1.8L that's in the Miata. I suspect it's either because the B series cost more to build or they couldn't make enough of them for the Protege.
May 17, 2003 (6:19 pm)
Mine is the 98 2.0 Split port. There's a similarity in the sound when you rev it up to the Pro. At 71K the Escort has been a good car so far. The seat is too low to the ground. The manual trans has a clutch that pops too quickly. I don't know if it needs adjustment, but it's been like this since day one. I have to pay close attention or I'll stall the engine, the clutch seems to release in about the first inch of travel.
#21399 of 24043 RX-8 is featured in X-Men 2, not Matrix Reloaded.
May 18, 2003 (4:12 am)
My bad, Hank! It was still pretty cool to see a Mazda RX-8 featured on ESPN2.
May 18, 2003 (6:25 am)
economies fo scale?
almost same engine used in 3 diff products?
May 18, 2003 (7:38 am)
3 different products? As far as I know, they only used the F series engines in the Protege and 626 recently. That's only 2 products. It's not unlikely that Mazda has better economies of scale with the F-series engines than with the B-series engines since Mazda had extra capacity when they stopped making MX6s and Probes and needed to use that up somewhere (Protege), but I think the B-series engines are better. I drove a first gen Protege with the B-1.8L and that thing was surprisingly fast for only 125 hp.
#21402 of 24043 On being forced to decline
May 18, 2003 (9:23 am)
Those of you have been buying cars for awhile, have you noticed the number of added forms where you are asked to decline in writing (by marking the appropriate box) things you did not want in the first place and the manufacturer should not require you to have. Like an extended warranty, insurance on your loan amount. I suppose they are working on remorse of the positive kind. Car finance is getting to be like a mortgage signing. The other pet peeve of mine is the doc fee that the dealer pretends is not part of the negotiated price. We never had this back in say 1974, for sure.
May 18, 2003 (10:24 am)
Well, they may have you initial the extended warranty portion so you can't come back and later say "I thought I had the extended warranty". Same may go for the other things like insurance.
May 18, 2003 (3:27 pm)
The BP was a very strong motor thats been known to take 300+ HP modified and still run reliably. Part of the reason this motor was strong was because of its weight. It was an iron block. The F-series engines are aluminum blocks and are lighter.
I suspect Mazda used the F-series in the new Proteges due to cost and fuel efficiency (lighter).