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Mazda Protege, Sedan
Jan 14, 2003 (7:26 am)
I broke down and e-mailed MazdaUSA regarding the engine "rattle". I'm sick of waiting for a fix. We'll see what they say. Here's the e-mail:
I've been following numereous Protege internet forums and I have read about a "problem" that I seem to have with my 2001 Protege ES 2.0L. Apparantley, there is a programming issue that has to do with coolant temperature and some plates opening and closing. When cold, my car sounds noticably different than when warm. I understand most cars sound different when cold, but this sound is unusual and I have never heard anything like it with my previous vehicles. People are calling it an engine "rattle". You can also notice a slight power surge above a certain RPM when it's cold. It feels like an A/C compressor kicking on and off, but it isn't. Apparantly, Mazda was working on a programming "fix" for this, but I have heard of 2003 owners with the same problem. I suspect Mazda isn't working on a fix because if they "fixed" it, the car would no longer be ULEV compliant. Is Mazda working on a fix, or do 2.0L Protege owners have to put up with an engine that sounds like a coffee grinder until it's warm? Thanks"
Jan 14, 2003 (7:36 am)
BTW, it really is VTCS (Variable Tumble Control System).
VICS is a cough medicine.
#19498 of 24043 As if we don't have enough discussions to keep track of ...
Jan 14, 2003 (7:37 am)
I just added a Mazda3 discussion in the sedans board. I figured it was time, since information and rumors are beginning to surface ...
P.S. Todd, it's "apparently."
#19499 of 24043 Actually, dsm, we're BOTH wrong!
Jan 14, 2003 (7:38 am)
I just went to Mazda's Japanese web site (www.mazda.co.jp) and did a search for the acronym. Guess what I found?
"Variable Inertia Charging System (VICS)."
And about the cough medicine ...
(I know; I've been taking 44E for about a week now.)
#19500 of 24043 Engine rattle & brakes...
Jan 14, 2003 (7:46 am)
Commonly called the death rattle. All 2.0 Proteges have it. Mine did, and the loaner 02 DX I had did as well. Something you have to get used to.
My original brakes on the DX lasted 26K miles, but I was hard on the car. Brakes were fine on the ES when I traded it at 20K. Brakes on current car will turn 29K today, 80% left at both ends.
#19501 of 24043 ... So you're saying your brakes will last more than 100K miles?
Jan 14, 2003 (7:50 am)
Ha, I don't THINK so!
Funny, our Protege5 has the same engine as the other 2002s and I've never heard this "death rattle" ... but then again I don't have hypersensitive hearing that can hear the cells dividing in the mold spores on the 6-month old petrified french fries beneath my wife's front seats ...
Jan 14, 2003 (7:52 am)
Thanks Meade. I hope MazdaUSA doesn't think any less of me for that spelling error.
Jan 14, 2003 (7:53 am)
I got that from the TSB on the problem (quoted the definition of the acronym from an exerpt posted here). I've seen different names for it as well, but on different cars or different years of the Pro. Or maybe they keep changing it just to keep folks confused about what it is.
Actually, I remember searching for it on Mazda's US site a while back to find out what it is, and found it under VTCS.
#19504 of 24043 ... And twice in the same letter, spelled different ways!
Jan 14, 2003 (7:54 am)
Shame on you Todd. I'm going to write Mazda a letter saying to ignore you because evidently you're trailer-park trash.
Jan 14, 2003 (7:54 am)
Well, if anyone's right here, I think it would be Mazda itself since they coined the acronym. BTW, I got the acronym off a December Mazda press release for a new Sport Protege concept car with the 2-liter engine. I think they're only producing one as a show car -- when I saw the title of the PR, I got all excited for nothing!