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#18313 of 24043 RE: The rear drums sucked.....by Vocus
Nov 15, 2002 (3:36 pm)
Paul, do you EVER base your opinions on fact?
1999 - 2000 Mazda Protegé:
Braking characteristics were some of the best in this test with superb pedal feel and feedback that made modulating them easy. A 60-to-zero stopping distance of 132 feet was just two feet off the class-leading Cavalier.
-2000 Economy Sedan Comparison Test: By Karl Brauer
2001 - 2002 Mazda Protegé:
In spite of the MP3's 132-foot braking distance from 60 mph, which placed it in the bottom half of the test, the feel and action of the stoppers (which didn't have the benefit of ABS) was excellent.
-2002 Econosport Sedans Comparison Test: By John DiPietro
With discs at all four corners, we expected braking to be good and it was, as the binders felt strong and were easy to modulate.
-Road Test Follow Up: 2001 Mazda Protégé: By John DiPietro
Nov 15, 2002 (3:36 pm)
had a rear sway bar, but it was only 14mm. I don't know how large the ones are now, but I can sure tell you I'm loving my 21.5mm rear sway bar!
The 01+ defintely feels like a more solid car. The doors close w/ more authority, chassis feels more pinned down, etc etc.
Nov 15, 2002 (4:13 pm)
The 1999-2000 ES had bigger brakes (at least in the front) than the DX. You can't really compare the '99 DX brakes to the '01 ES brakes. The cars are not even in the same class. Furthermore, the '99 DX had crappy 13 or 14 inchers, firstone tires I think. The '01 ES has wider, lower profile tires that are much more sticky. Tires usually factor into the braking equation as well.
If you compare '99/00 ES to '01+ ES, that's a different story. 80-90% of your braking is done by the front brakes. As far as I know, the only change in the braking system from the 2000 to the 2001+ is the the rear disc brakes. I think what ever small benefit this would provide is totally offset by the weight gain.
#18316 of 24043 Return of the smell
Nov 15, 2002 (4:31 pm)
I posted about this last year I beleive (when it was cold again). Anyways, when it's cold out, my 2000 Protege would have a rotten egg/sulfer smell mostly during the warm up period, but sometimes after cruising and coming to a stop. This suggested fuel not being burned properly all the time and making it's way into the cat. Anyways, they found that the coil pack was deffective + changed the catalytic converter. After that, the smell did go away but it was also towards the end of winter.
The smell is back, not as bad as it used to be but I've smelt it a few times. I thought it may be the whole coil pack recall thing. I had gone in before to check if the new coil pack was OK, they said it was but this was a couple of months ago.
Anyways, I'm wondering if anyone else has had this problem and has had it fixed. The dealership basically does not want to take the time to check it. I had to bring it in 2 or 3 times last time for the smell and only after talking to the mechanic did I get anything done. They basically don't want to sit there, let the car cool down...then drive it around while it warms up. Or at least that's the impression I get. The service manager tells me it could be the gas which I know is a load of BS. Basically I'd like to arm myself with some information of possible fixes and suggestions so they can actually look into it.
What are you all getting for fuel economy for the ES (2000 1.8L). I'm getting about 380-400kms per tank (about 40-42 Litres). I'm too lazy to do the miles per gallon conversion but that does sound on the high side of fuel consumption. About 50/50 city/highway driving, somewhat spirited but not constantly flogging it.
Nov 15, 2002 (4:34 pm)
Perry, I agree. Is there a way to compare the breaking abilities of the lighter 99-00 Protegé to the redesigned 01-02 Protegé? Perhaps,... find comparable examples, (a 2000 Mazda Protegé ES and a 2002 Mazda Protegé ES) with similar equipment, identical brake pad conditions and the brand new OME tires. Test their 60-to-zero stopping distance and publish the results. Fat chance of getting that done? Nonetheless, Edmunds did test similar Mazda Protegés, from the different model years. They found both cars more than competent and capable, 60-to-zero stoppers.
#18318 of 24043 Sunroof & ABS packaged together - Meade/Bluong
Nov 15, 2002 (5:12 pm)
Sorry, I'm a little behind on your posts. I have a 2002 midcycle refresh LX. When I bought it theoretically you could order ABS without the sunroof. I scoured the state of California on Mazda's locater website. I found about 10 midcycle 2002's with ABS and every one had a sunroof. I bought through CarsDirect, asked the rep. to check and after a few days he said it couldn't be done. They just package them all together. I doubt 2003 will be any different. I finally gave up and bought one of the few midcycle LX's without a sunroof (even though it was without ABS). If you need the headroom (I'm 6'4") it very tough to get an LX or ES now without the sunroof, period!
Nov 15, 2002 (5:45 pm)
thank you for sharing the experience. Usually dealers order cars before hand and they must predict what kind of optional equipments or colors most costumers might want. So yes, theorically it's possible to get the sunroof and ABS separately, however if your local dealers do not do well their homeworks, situation like yours can occur. Another situation would lead to the same effect is they couldn't sale the cars in the park and refuse to order the new ones with proper options.
Nov 15, 2002 (5:57 pm)
"I'm getting about 380-400kms per tank (about 40-42 Litres)"
That's pretty bad! I usually get 450-500 in a 50/50 split. 02 2.0 ES.
#18321 of 24043 Larry!
Nov 15, 2002 (6:13 pm)
Glad you finally surfaced.
Sounds like you've been through hell, but also ... given your recent posts ... it sounds like you are back with no holds barred.
Good to hear from you again.
#18322 of 24043 01 2.0L engine
Nov 15, 2002 (6:32 pm)
in my Pro LX averages 392.6 miles per tank full, that's roughly 26mpg.
Welcome back Larry!! Been worried about you. Thought maybe you choked on one of Cracker Barrel's too dry corn muffins. jk.